About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Mavrias]

I will say that not allowing vote kicks in DR is hilarious and makes no sense; it's like SE wanted people to try AFKing through it. It is against the ToS, though, and it's a dumb thing to risk your account over.

Also, I said it wastes the relic hunters time, which is correct.

The problem is that things like "farming" require SOME kind of personal incentive to motivate people to do it. SE added a grind but forgot to add the reward, which is hilarious. My reward is the smiling faces of all the other people in DRN who didn't actually notice or care that I saved them 1 whole minute, lol. Are we really all so surprised that's not enough for most people?


How does it waste my time? If I do rotations I get out a minute faster, and I didn't have to grind trash outside of Bozja for 10 minutes to get that 1 minute.

Do point out in the ToS where it says afking is not allowed, lol.

[Vahlnir]

Do point out in the ToS where it says afking is not allowed, lol.

Yeah, I'm not sure where they got that from. Going afk is not a ToS violation. Now, if one were to say "I hate this group, gonna afk. Kick me please" then that would be grounds for some sort of punishment. But if someone says "Brb" or nothing at all, nothing can and won't happen because what is there to prove? Nothing.

[AikenDrum]

The reward is actually getting into the group that consist of team players and cooperating with each other to get DR down in <30min. Is teamplay really such a strange notion to seek in a multiplayer game?
And i'm sorry, if rotation for 40min for 1min faster run is enough incentive, then you have problem with grinding trash itself, how much it saves time is irrelevant

[Goji1639]

Do point out in the ToS where it says afking is not allowed, lol.

No idea, but I know someone who had their account actioned after frequently trying to AFK through MSQ roulettes, so I assume it's somewhere in the ToS.

[Kaurhz]

I will say that not allowing vote kicks in DR is hilarious and makes no sense; it's like SE wanted people to try AFKing through it. It is against the ToS, though, and it's a dumb thing to risk your account over.

Also, I said it wastes the relic hunters time, which is correct.

The problem is that things like "farming" require SOME kind of personal incentive to motivate people to do it. SE added a grind but forgot to add the reward, which is hilarious. My reward is the smiling faces of all the other people in DRN who didn't actually notice or care that I saved them 1 whole minute, lol. Are we really all so surprised that's not enough for most people?

The problem is when each individual has this selfsame mindset, the run can be upwards of 55 minutes. Which you can compare to everyone going in with even basic or baseline essences which reduces the run by at least 20 minutes across all players utilizing them.

1 player saving 1 minute across the run, is still a significant amount of time across the collective party if everyone were to do the same. If we assume a flat minute saved per player, which it is greater still, that's still 24 minutes saved per run, each individual does not spend that much time getting a single essence. I can get 10-20 Fiendhunter in that time. Then you multiply 24 minutes saved per run across 8 (rounded) per relic you're looking at 192 minutes shaved per relic, or 3 hours and 12 minutes. Across all 17 relics, then you're looking at saving upwards of 50 hours, quite easily.

So yeah when you say it saves the time of a relic hunter. I'm going to vehemently disagree with you and chalk it down to you trying to rationalize not wanting to contribute even a modicum beyond doing a simple rotation, despite the fact the time saved off each DR run is much greater than the time it takes you to farm an essence for that corresponding run.

[Infindox]

What I'm finding out is people want to do the bare minimum for content and don't want to do anything else and expect others to pick up the slack. Then complain when they are asked to help their team out.

[Goji1639]

The problem is when each individual has this selfsame mindset, the run can be upwards of 55 minutes. Which you can compare to everyone going in with even basic or baseline essences which reduces the run by at least 20 minutes across all players utilizing them.

1 player saving 1 minute across the run, is still a significant amount of time across the collective party if everyone were to do the same. If we assume a flat minute saved per player, which it is greater still, that's still 24 minutes saved per run, each individual does not spend that much time getting a single essence. I can get 10-20 Fiendhunter in that time. Then you multiply 24 minutes saved per run across 8 (rounded) per relic you're looking at 192 minutes shaved per relic, or 3 hours and 12 minutes. Across all 17 relics, then you're looking at saving upwards of 50 hours, quite easily.

So yeah when you say it saves the time of a relic hunter. I'm going to vehemently disagree with you and chalk it down to you trying to rationalize not wanting to contribute even a modicum beyond doing a simple rotation, despite the fact the time saved off each DR run is much greater than the time it takes you to farm an essence for that corresponding run.

It's an individual queue. What I'm doing doesn't determine what everyone else is doing. If I queue up and it's a 48 minute run then by popping an essence I'm only saving myself 24 seconds. If it's a 30 minute run me using an essence saves me even less time. That's how it actually works. As an individual essences never make up for the time you spend farming them. Now if me using an essence forced everyone else to use one then you could make an argument about cumulative gains, but that's not how it works.

It was SE's job to give individuals a reason to farm this stuff, but they failed. It's spending 10 minutes of your time to save 1 minute; it's idiotic and almost insulting that SE thinks I would engage in something so obviously bent.

Edit: It's like if SE added a new gil vendor that allowed you to trade 100,000 gil for 10,000 gil. Wouldn't that feel a little bit like SE is just hoping you're dumb enough to engage in an extremely lazy resource sink?

[Powercow]

It's an individual queue. What I'm doing doesn't determine what everyone else is doing. If I queue up and it's a 48 minute run then by popping an essence I'm only saving myself 24 seconds. If it's a 30 minute run me using an essence saves me even less time. That's how it actually works. As an individual essences never make up for the time you spend farming them. Now if me using an essence forced everyone else to use one then you could make an argument about cumulative gains, but that's not how it works.

It was SE's job to give individuals a reason to farm this stuff, but they failed. It's spending 10 minutes of your time to save 1 minute; it's idiotic and almost insulting that SE thinks I would engage in something so obviously bent.

Edit: It's like if SE added a new gil vendor that allowed you to trade 100,000 gil for 10,000 gil. Wouldn't that feel a little bit like SE is just hoping you're dumb enough to engage in an extremely lazy resource sink?

You're right. SE shouldn't allow you to get loot out of DR without an essence. That's on them for expecting their playerbase to have a modicum of decency. Silly devs, don't you know this guy can't be bothered to not be a leech?

Also you can take off your pants for DR and the game won't punish you. It'll actually save you like, a whole gil on dark matter when you die!

[Kaurhz]

It's an individual queue. What I'm doing doesn't determine what everyone else is doing. If I queue up and it's a 48 minute run then by popping an essence I'm only saving myself 24 seconds. If it's a 30 minute run me using an essence saves me even less time. That's how it actually works. As individual essences never make up for the time you spend farming them. Now if me using an essence forced everyone else to use one then you could make an argument about cumulative gains, but that's not how it works.

It was SE's job to give individuals a reason to farm this stuff, but they failed. It's spending 10 minutes of your time to save 1 minute; it's idiotic.

Edit: It's like if SE added a new gil vendor that allowed you to trade 100,000 gil for 10,000 gil. Wouldn't that feel a little bit like SE is just hoping you're dumb enough to engage in an extremely lazy resource sink?

When I consider that me having a good stock of essences allows me to join speedruns with like-minded people, then I'm going to look at it as a collective, instead of as an individual basis. Especially considering when those runs range from 12-20 minutes instead of the standard 45-55 minutes that I've had in the past. If you lack the consideration of setting up farms with a premade group of people with the same mindset then I don't really know what to tell you. But as someone aiming to get all of the relics on 2 characters, I can easily tell you it's a blessing. So I will continue to spend those '10 minutes farming an essence for 1 run that shaves 1 minute from my contribution' as you so eloquently have put it - and I will smile afterward.

They didn't fail to give you a reason - You just fail to see the reason for doing such. I farm my loathsome essences in Castrum, guess what I'm doing between each Castrum run? That's right, farming clusters whilst I wait for CEs. Of these clusters? I put into getting Finesse fragments, with these I put them all into doing DR. If I have the spare time to set aside for a significant amount of runs, I'll consider a farm group with like-minded individuals, otherwise I may do 1 run regularly. As a collective group, the time your collective spends farming essences greatly outweighs the additional time you'd otherwise spend in a daunting run that takes an hour.

I really don't know what to tell you if you genuinely think it takes you 10 minutes to farm a single Martialist essence from a plant, especially if your main class holds true.

Don't even try to equivocate this with trading 100k Gil to get 10k Gil. Not even remotely comparable. One has you engaging in a group activity with the reality of saving yourself and others significant time if you actually know how to farm essences. The other activity on the other hand, the one you tried to compare it to is a deficit regardless of the mindset you apply.

I'll take my mindset over yours any day of the week, and mine is relatively tame by comparison to others. I'm pretty sure a lot of people that care about their time, or respect the time of others would agree too

[Goji1639]

You're right. SE shouldn't allow you to get loot out of DR without an essence. That's on them for expecting their playerbase to have a modicum of decency. Silly devs, don't you know this guy can't be bothered to not be a leech?

Also you can take off your pants for DR and the game won't punish you. It'll actually save you like, a whole gil on dark matter when you die!

This is actually getting hilarious.

SE adds a machination to their game designed specifically to waste your time for no benefit, simply because they needed a time sink but were too lazy to come up with a proper effort/reward loop. So, does this community call out an obviously manipulative practice that's akin to crap mobile games... Nope, like proper little lemmings you all preach about decency, like the devs are altruists and we've FAILED THEM!! This forum is comic gold.

SE must love you all so much. They'll be able to keep you subbed and entertained in a negative feedback loop forever; just spending your time farming less time.