About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Goji1639]

You're right. SE shouldn't allow you to get loot out of DR without an essence. That's on them for expecting their playerbase to have a modicum of decency. Silly devs, don't you know this guy can't be bothered to not be a leech?

Also you can take off your pants for DR and the game won't punish you. It'll actually save you like, a whole gil on dark matter when you die!

This is actually getting hilarious.

SE adds a machination to their game designed specifically to waste your time for no benefit, simply because they needed a time sink but were too lazy to come up with a proper effort/reward loop. So, does this community call out an obviously manipulative practice that's akin to crap mobile games... Nope, like proper little lemmings you all preach about decency, like the devs are altruists and we've FAILED THEM!! This forum is comic gold.

SE must love you all so much. They'll be able to keep you subbed and entertained in a negative feedback loop forever; just spending your time farming less time.

[Mavrias]

This is actually getting hilarious.

SE adds a machination to their game designed specifically to waste your time for no benefit, simply because they needed a time sink but were too lazy to come up with a proper effort/reward loop. So, does this community call out an obviously manipulative practice that's akin to crap mobile games... Nope, like proper little lemmings you all preach about decency, like the devs are altruists and we've FAILED THEM!! This forum is comic gold.

SE must love you all so much. They'll be able to keep you subbed and entertained in a negative feedback loop forever; just spending your time farming less time.

Homie, are you okay? This is an mmo, the whole game is a time sink designed to waste your time for no benefit.

[Goji1639]

Homie, are you okay? This is an mmo, the whole game is a time sink designed to waste your time for no benefit.

I've slammed my head against plenty of long grinds in RPG's, the caveat being there was always a carrot at the end. SE just didn't bother with the carrot on this one; you're literally just spending 10 minutes to save 1.

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case, and now I'm just watching people flail with responses like: "Dude ur wrong! I'm not going to address anything you just explained or provide any logic; I'm just gonna say ur wrong and sprinkle in words like leech and lazy because I need to sound confident to distract from the fact that I'm not saying anything! Holy lmao dude!"

[lezard21]

I've slammed my head against plenty of long grinds in RPG's, the caveat being there was always a carrot at the end. SE just forgot to add the carrot on this one; you're literally just spending 10 minutes to save 1.

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case, and now I'm just watching people flail with responses like: "Dude ur wrong! I'm not going to address anything you just explained or provide any logic; I'm just gonna say ur wrong and sprinkle in words like leech and lazy because that's what gets likes here!"

Cherry pick your responses more? People have already argued back your questionable math™ by pointing out that you waste 10 minutes of your time for a run to end 1 minute earlier, but if all 23 people waste 10 mins of their time so that the raid ends 1 minute earlier, it ends 24 minutes earlier vs your 10 minute investment. It's a cumulative effort reward.

By your same logic, why use buffs like Brotherhood which only add 1k to your 20k DPS and completely ignore the fact that the 5% increase for your other 7 party members does make a significant DPS difference.

[Goji1639]

Cherry pick your responses more? People have already argued back your questionable math™ by pointing out that you waste 10 minutes of your time for a run to end 1 minute earlier, but if all 23 people waste 10 mins of their time so that the raid ends 1 minute earlier, it ends 24 minutes earlier vs your 10 minute investment. It's a cumulative effort reward.

By your same logic, why use buffs like Brotherhood which only add 1k to your 20k DPS and completely ignore the fact that the 5% increase for your other 7 party members does make a significant DPS difference.

I'm not cherry picking; I'm responding to everything and I've already responded to that point. "If all 23 people" is a moot observation; my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output. I'm 1/24th of the raid and Skirmisher increases ONLY my output by 20%, so the improvement on the run doesn't make up for the time farming.

The cumulative effort gain is only valid in a situation like PF; where the cumulative effort is a prerequisite. Farming essences for DF, however, is always a waste of time.

You can perform all the mental gymnastics that you want, but that doesn't change the fact that not using an essence is less beneficial than using one. You aren't making a run worse, but you aren't making it better either. If you aren't willing to put in the effort that others are, don't expect them to respond positively.

If people want to think it's lazy and be all mad about it then that's their thing, I don't really care.

If you're going to tell me farming is more efficient for relic hunters, however, then step up with more than teary eyed wailings of the word leech. I've provided the logic and math for my position, and addressed the counterpoints.

idk why you're all trying to get him to change his opinion when he was already proven wrong in the last DR/essence thread and 'defended' his questionable logic and maths over several pages until no one bothered anymore, it's literally just the same argument again
should've ended when the troll called the rational, logical person a troll because his feefees are hurt when people disagree /shrug

Eh, it's the same as the other thread in that it's basically just a few of you who can't/won't address my counterpoints, but feel like you need to keep going because you don't want to accept I'm right. So, you keep making non-responses and patting each other on the back. These last 2 non-responses I've quoted here are good examples.

[Vahlnir]

I'm not cherry picking; I'm responding to everything and I've already responded to that point. "If all 23 people" is a moot observation; my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output. I'm 1/24th of the raid and Skirmisher increases ONLY my output by 20%, so the improvement on the run doesn't make up for the time farming.

The cumulative effort gain is only valid in a situation like PF; where the cumulative effort is a prerequisite. Farming essences for DF, however, is always a waste of time.

You can perform all the mental gymnastics that you want, but that doesn't change the fact that not using an essence is less beneficial than using one. You aren't making a run worse, but you aren't making it better either. If you aren't willing to put in the effort that others are, don't expect them to respond positively.

[lezard21]

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case,

What technicals? The "using essence only saves 1 minute" number that you pulled out of your hat? How did you verify and prove this?

my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output.

Essence? Yes, it only affects your output.

But Lost Actions can affect the output of the rest of the raid, immensely, particularly Lost Rend Armor. 2 people out of 24 can keep it constantly up if they alternate uses, the equivalent of constant Trick Attack upkeep, which is huge. I was just in a pug DR where I was the only one using Rend Armor and the Queen died in less than 5 minutes, with party having suboptimal essences like Beast and Bloodsucker.

And there are no excuses why people don't carry it now with the nerf to fragments cost. Literally 10 minutes of killing magitek in a party for 10~ clusters can net you 4-6 Lost Rend Armor, and the other times you are getting Pure Essence of the Duelist which is better than Skirmisher, and can be combined with Honored Sacrifice for more DPS with no penalty.

There is no "grind" excuse anymore to be a freeloader.

[Fland]

Essence? Yes, it only affects your output.

Some essences can be combined with specific lost action that can affect your party. Like Elder and Cure IV for the AOE Bravery.
So not all essences affect only the user's output.

My entire point has been that farming essences for DF is a waste of time, and I'm 100% correct.

No you're not.

[Mavrias]

I've slammed my head against plenty of long grinds in RPG's, the caveat being there was always a carrot at the end. SE just didn't bother with the carrot on this one; you're literally just spending 10 minutes to save 1.

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case, and now I'm just watching people flail with responses like: "Dude ur wrong! I'm not going to address anything you just explained or provide any logic; I'm just gonna say ur wrong and sprinkle in words like leech and lazy because I need to sound confident to distract from the fact that I'm not saying anything! Holy lmao dude!"

Youre the guy going on rants about how the devs are lazy and manipulative because you dont like bozja content and everyone who is enjoying essences and lost actions are lemmings or sheep.

You might wanna go outside and touch some grass, instead of faffing around in content you clearly resent.

[Powercow]

This is actually getting hilarious.

SE adds a machination to their game designed specifically to waste your time for no benefit, simply because they needed a time sink but were too lazy to come up with a proper effort/reward loop. So, does this community call out an obviously manipulative practice that's akin to crap mobile games... Nope, like proper little lemmings you all preach about decency, like the devs are altruists and we've FAILED THEM!! This forum is comic gold.

SE must love you all so much. They'll be able to keep you subbed and entertained in a negative feedback loop forever; just spending your time farming less time.

So wait, you're saying that SE has added a machination to waste your time for no benefit -- that is, the Resistance weapon grind -- and that there's no effort/reward loop? I'm confused. Why are you doing it if you don't enjoy it?

And yes, the Resistance weapons are pointless. The expansion is over. It's been over for months. All you're doing with the resistance weapon is either getting glamour -- something with no functional value outside of what you make of the visuals, OR you're gearing up for the next expansion -- which means you're spending all of this time to save... what, maybe a cumulative 5 minutes in Endwalker? You know these weapons are going to be completely useless by 85, maybe 86 at the latest.