About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[Goji1639]

Not farming fragments, clusters, etc. is a waste of time for relic hunters. That’s undeniable.

Ah, you're just a troll. My mistake.

[MilkieTea]

Ah, you're just a troll. My mistake.

People who disagree with you ≠ trolls. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand this, given your selfish understanding of the world.

[Goji1639]

People who disagree with you ≠ trolls. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand this, given your selfish understanding of the world.

I explained why it's a waste of time, even did the math for you. Your response was "no it's not" with no elucidation, math or counterpoint. You're definitely a troll.

I guess in the end you did manage to get me to waste my time. Well trolled.

[MilkieTea]

I explained why it's a waste of time, even did the math for you. Your response was "no it's not" with no elucidation, math or counterpoint. You're definitely a troll.

I guess in the end you did manage to get me to waste my time. Well trolled.

I’ve already explained it to you in the other thread on this topic. I’d rather not repeat myself ad nauseam. You’ve done no math, just drew up numbers and vague ideas from thin air (guess you must be an amazing white mage!)

[lezard21]

> cries about not having time to farm clusters or fragments to justify being dead weight in DR
> complains in forum for 11 pages
> leaveskeeps complaining like seriously dude go farm some clusters

[Goji1639]

I’ve already explained it to you in the other thread on this topic. I’d rather not repeat myself ad nauseam. You’ve done no math, just drew up numbers and vague ideas from thin air (guess you must be an amazing white mage!)

It's not that difficult to math out. We'll keep it simple by leaving everything divisible... So, I'm 1/24th of a 48 minute DR run. That means I represent 2 minutes of the runs clear time. Skirmisher represents a 20% increase in my throughput, which would theoretically improve the overall clear time by 24 seconds.

So, 1 Skirmisher represents roughly 24 seconds of my time. If I can't farm a Skirmisher at a rate of 1 every 24 seconds then farming wastes my time.

[MilkieTea]

> cries about not having time to farm clusters or fragments to justify being dead weight in DR
> complains in forum for 11 pages
> leaveskeeps complaining like seriously dude go farm some clusters

THIS! All of this time spent complaining, the dude could've spent farming clusters and fragments. Would probably have like 100 by now!

[Liam_Harper]

I explained why it's a waste of time, even did the math for you.

You did no math.

Math is: Good Fragments are now 1 cluster. On average you get an Essence per 2 fragments. You need 5 DR runs per Relic now. On average you need 10 Clusters per relic.

Most players get significantly more just leveling in Bozja from stray mobs that wander into Fates. I had 50 by the time I'd leveled from 15-25 in Zadnor. You can farm them quite fast in a Cluster group too.

At this stage you might as well just admit you're lazy and don't really care about other players. People would respect you for the honestly more than trying to make up convoluted arguments that make no sense to justify yourself and accusing other players of being trolls for pointing out the flaws in those arguments.

[Goji1639]

You did no math.

Math is: Good Fragments are now 1 cluster. On average you get an Essence per 2 fragments. You need 5 DR runs per Relic now. On average you need 10 Clusters per relic.

Most players get significantly more just leveling in Bozja from stray mobs that wander into Fates. I had 50 by the time I'd leveled from 15-25 in Zadnor. You can farm them quite fast in a Cluster group too.

At this stage you might as well just admit you're lazy and don't really care about other players. People would respect you for the honestly more than trying to make up convoluted arguments that make no sense to justify yourself and accusing other players of being trolls for pointing out the flaws in those arguments.

No, I did provide Math showing it's less efficient. It's a waste of time, that much isn't deniable. It wastes far less time now, which is fair enough, but it's still a waste of time.

If people are getting enough essences without farming nowadays then great, no problem. I'm just saying that if you run out there's absolutely no reason to ever farm essences if you're only in it for the relic, and I'm 100% right.

As for whether or not it's lazy, that's immaterial. I've been saying this whole time this is what's most efficient for me (the relic hunter); not that it's what helps everyone else. If you agree that it's the most efficient approach, but think I'm lazy or self-centered for doing it, I really don't care. The opinions and "respect" of the people on this board mean very little to me.

[Avidria]

I can count the number of times I'd be willing to do it on zero hands.

I think the disconnect here is between people running Bozja for Bozja, and people running Bozja for the relic.

If you've spent a lot of time in Bozja just doing stuff I'm sure you've gotten a ton of essences naturally, and just assume everyone else has done the same. That's not the case, though. If you're only doing what you need for the relic you'll most likely end up at steps like DR with barely any essences to use. If you're noticing that most people in DRN aren't using essences, it's because most people doing Bozja in general ONLY want their relic.

Bozja is only still alive because it force funnels relic hunters through it. All of you who are actually enjoying Bozja might want to just take that as a win, instead of pissing about how most of the people in Bozja don't want to farm essences.

Honestly I think the disconnect is really questionable design decisions. Because I agree actually, if you don't do Bozja for Bozja you're just not gonna have essences and not have much reason to farm them because you're probably never gonna touch the raids again once you have the shiny weapon.

The issue being, the number of people only there for the weapon is prooobably higher than the number doing it for the other stuff or even just for fun, compounded by the fact that the difference the essences make is not even a little bit small. I can turn my white mage into a very good dps that can ALSO still heal very well, for very little cost and very little effort on my part. It's hilarious and awesome and part of why I enjoy Bozja so much. But if there are only like, 5 people in say, a Delubrum who are using decent essences and actions, it takes WAY longer. Like. 15-20 minutes longer. And it's very noticeable purely from how many mechanics the bosses get to do.

Don't get me wrong, I don't actually care that much. I don't call people out (unless you're a tank trying to main tank with irregular up and NOT using any CDs at all because good god please do not do that) but like... personally I'd rather spend 10 minutes, get a handful of crappy essences, and toss them on even for a bit of a boost than go in with nothing and do like. A fraction of the damage you can do if you actually get the nice stuff going. The more people do, the faster every run goes for everyone, the sooner people can stop doing the content they don't wanna do.