Apartments need Rent

[Besame]

They're punishments when implemented poorly.

I feel rent on apartments is poorly implemented.

They'd have to start charging rent for houses too or it wouldn't be fair.

I, for one, wouldn't pay it on principle, and let my apartment lapse.

If they want to make apartments more attractive, adding balconies or terraces or even penthouses with outdoor areas would be a good start. Price accordingly. I have a ton of outdoor furniture my retainers keep bringing me that I can't use.

I'd dump my apt before I'd pay rent. I only use it these days as a shop made up for xtra furniture.

[Jojoya]

They're punishments when implemented poorly.

Stop exaggerating in an attempt to push emotional buttons. It is not punishment. No one is being assessed a penalty for any perceived wrong-doing they have engaged in.

The most it would be is poor content design, and that would be a subject for debate.

I haven't read all of the comments, but some people do know that not all apartments are rented right? You can own an apartment just like a house. Its actually common in many areas with limited space or for wealthy individuals.

Depending on where you live, they can have different names depending on whether the individual units in the building have separate owners (condominium where I live) or if the entire building is owned by the same person/company renting them to various individuals/families (apartment). If you say apartment in this part of the world, people who grew up here are going to automatically assume the latter.

The name used doesn't really make a different for this discussion, though. The OP was making a suggestion they felt would increase demand for apartments. Responses have shown why it would have the opposite effect.

[Imora]

The country i live in apartments are both bought and rented. People pay millions of kronor for apartments.

And I'm not going for emotional anything. Punishments are meant to be deterrents. Poor money sinks are deterrents. The technical definition is "the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence."

The offense in question here is having money that the OP seems to think having is a bad thing. If they really wanted to sink gillionaires, there's plenty of other ways. But most of them are frugal and won't buy stuff that costs recurrent payment. It's why I even have money in other games. I don't spend it.

Here? I'm broke. Apartment rent would be the last straw for me and housing.

[Almagnus1]

The country i live in apartments are both bought and rented. People pay millions of kronor for apartments.

In the US, apartments are rented, condos and town houses are bought - even though they all look like the same from the outside. I imagine it's much the same in Canada as well.

And I'm not going for emotional anything. Punishments are meant to be deterrents. Poor money sinks are deterrents. The technical definition is "the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence."

Considering that the original suggestion was to also drop the initial cost of the apartment from 500k to 100k and also relaxing the rank requirements (so you can get into it earlier), that extra 400k in rent equates out to 40 weeks difference in rent. Generating 10k gil/week is completely doable and if it forces someone to learn some life skills of budgeting... that's not a bad thing.

The offense in question here is having money that the OP seems to think having is a bad thing.

In RL it's not necessarily... in an MMO it definitely can be because it leads to price inflation as the MMO economy works vastly different from a real world one (as MMO economies need to balance how much money is generated with how much is deleted to stave off inflation).

If they really wanted to sink gillionaires, there's plenty of other ways. But most of them are frugal and won't buy stuff that costs recurrent payment.

Gil sinks target everyone... not just the rich. The idea is to bleed out money from the entire economy, not just from the top 1%. To attack the gil the rich have, you'd use something else... the problem is that the playerbase (as a whole) does not have enough gil sinks, and housing rent (when combined with other stuff like repair and teleport costs) allow you to bleed out gil from the entire population. Having items like the EVE Online plex that allows for players to convert gil into game time (which is also an item that a player can purchase for RL money and sell on the AH for gil which would transfer the gil from another player) also help with this as you will naturally get the rich to spread their money around... as is enticing them with items to flex how rich they are (like the luxury mounts for example).

But it's not just a single path solution, but a multitude.

[Jojoya]

The country i live in apartments are both bought and rented. People pay millions of kronor for apartments.

And I'm not going for emotional anything. Punishments are meant to be deterrents. Poor money sinks are deterrents. The technical definition is "the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence."

The offense in question here is having money that the OP seems to think having is a bad thing. If they really wanted to sink gillionaires, there's plenty of other ways. But most of them are frugal and won't buy stuff that costs recurrent payment. It's why I even have money in other games. I don't spend it.

Here? I'm broke. Apartment rent would be the last straw for me and housing.

No matter how you want to twist it being asked to pay rent/property tax/homeowner's association fee/etc. is not punishment. Even if a punishment is a type of deterrent, not all deterrents are punishment.

Trying to sink gillionaires won't do much because they just pass their costs onto the players they're selling to so those players pay more to get less.

Those players would be richer if they would stop taking the easy way out by buying from the gillionaires at inflated prices and farming what they need themselves.

Not that I'm in anyway okay with rent on apartments unless there's a much higher rent on houses first but if you can't afford 10k a week, you're just logging in without playing the game. Content (other than PvP and Gold Saucer) is throwing gil at players simply for doing it, challenge logs add more gil on top of that and those amounts add up to a lot more than you need to cover things like repairs and teleport fees. There are a lot of other ways to make gil as well without leveling crafting or gathering.

If having to pay a small amount of rent would be enough to deter you from getting housing in the game, you sound like someone who doesn't care about housing in the first place. That's why deterrents like rent would be a good thing - those who don't care about housing would skip it and leave more available for those who do care. But the deterrent needs to be placed first where the demand is greatest and overwhelming the supply - on houses themselves, not apartments.

[Besame]

The country i live in apartments are both bought and rented. People pay millions of kronor for apartments.

And I'm not going for emotional anything. Punishments are meant to be deterrents. Poor money sinks are deterrents. The technical definition is "the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence."

The offense in question here is having money that the OP seems to think having is a bad thing. If they really wanted to sink gillionaires, there's plenty of other ways. But most of them are frugal and won't buy stuff that costs recurrent payment. It's why I even have money in other games. I don't spend it.

Here? I'm broke. Apartment rent would be the last straw for me and housing.

For me, it's not the gil, I have plenty from various duties in game. For me it's the idea that something that was presented as part of the package to play would now be a cost for some imaginary needed gil sink. If I want to use gil, there are plenty of tempting tidbits to spend it on if I have a lazy streak or just don't do dungeons. I know it's difficult when you are new and working to get your char to 80 because the gil you get from quests is a joke. It will get better once you learn to work the features to accumulate wealth.

[Sotaris]

The country i live in apartments are both bought and rented. People pay millions of kronor for apartments.

Just seeing you mention kronor I'm gonna jump to conclustion you mean the living mess we have in Sweden (unless you meant Norway or Denmark who also use Kronor).

Millions is not really true everywhere, it's not the norm (speaking of sweden since that's where i live), maybe in larger cities like stockholm, göteborg, malmö etc.
In my city you can of course buy a exclusive 2 room but generally most is 500-900k. I live in a 3 room apartment in a nicer area and payed more than 1m for it but it not standard prices.

[Nepentha]

Then don't look at WoW.....

This is irrelevant. We're talking about FFXIV's housing system and your strange fixation with charging rent for apartments. You wouldn't be changing a thing with charging 10k a week. Rich players will be able to afford this without a problem. It's the players who don't have much gil to their names that'd be the most effected, the ones who the apartments are aimed at since it's low cost to open one.

Again, this is not a solution and SE is not going to implement it. Your time and imagination are better spent elsewhere.

[Sotaris]

Even "poor" players would get 10k by just doing roulettes or selling crap on mb.
it wouldn't make a difference at all, now if we say do 100k a week then maybe but why create a solution to a problem that doesnt even exist in the first place?
This is why I think was his first? (poorly) attempt to make a troll thread since that seems to be the new cool thing to do on this forum recent months.

[Keramory]

I hope other people can appreciate the humor that the common online echo out there IRL is abolishing landlords/rent and now seeing people beg for rent in game.

Anyways, don't see the point in adding rent. Players are punished enough for having apartments over houses. I can promise you I'd demolish my house tomorrow if they announced a rent system for my home lol. Honestly I'd rather see apartments be free with a quest/rank then the idea of charging people routinely. I don't see any advantages to it other then replicating RL in some areas.