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  1. #11
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    MrThinker's Avatar
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    Jakaar Rakkin
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    Kujata
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrebrand View Post
    I say, make some of the other ARR dungeon cinematics unskippable as well. It's impossible to enjoy them or experience them properly when you can practically FEEL the other party members breathing down your neck as you try to speed-read as fast as possible and barely pay attention to what's being said.
    Rather than making them *unskippable*, I'd rather they bar off the final boss arenas until everyone is out of cutscene... provided they improve detections of people disconnecting during cutscenes so that it can discount them and allow the people who are present through.
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  2. #12
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    Chryden Speakel
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    Odin
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    The day will come were SE is making them a solo instance for everyone to enjoy it in their own speed.
    In that moment people will start to complain about the huge exp resource that they lost.
    They will "miss" these dungeons with unskipable cutscenes and great rewards.
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  3. #13
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    MrThinker's Avatar
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    Jakaar Rakkin
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    Kujata
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curisu View Post
    The day will come were SE is making them a solo instance for everyone to enjoy it in their own speed.
    In that moment people will start to complain about the huge exp resource that they lost.
    They will "miss" these dungeons with unskipable cutscenes and great rewards.
    I can't find the interview, but they actually said they'd rather turn them both into 4-man dungeons than make them solo instances, but that rework would also require retooling the story so that instances themselves dont have so many cutscenes, so they'll come back to the problem later.
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  4. #14
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Then the XP would get cut down to what it was before cutscenes were skippable. They added that to balance out making them unskippable. If they kept the XP, people would just bail or kick the newbie. I run this roulette every day and groups I see are either silent because we're all doing something else during cutscenes or we're chatting and joking around during them. There's nothing really that needs to be fixed.
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  5. #15
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    Imora Dal'syn
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    Dancer Lv 90
    My favorite part was being unable to get into boss fights even skipping the cut scenes because my HDD wouldn't load as fast as someone's SSD, and they'd pull with half the group either watching, or loading from skipping.

    Oh the days.
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  6. #16
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MrThinker View Post
    I can't find the interview, but they actually said they'd rather turn them both into 4-man dungeons than make them solo instances, but that rework would also require retooling the story so that instances themselves dont have so many cutscenes, so they'll come back to the problem later.
    Unpopular opinion: I hope they don't. Cutscene fiasco aside, being the only full party dungeons is what makes them somewhat fun - it's like a mini raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  7. #17
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    Izar_Chillen's Avatar
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    Jhuno Whatt
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    Spriggan
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I always found it rather odd that they designed it to need other players to group with (forcing you to wait for a major story segment to pop) , rather than a solo duty that you do with the GC squadron I had been given charge of, or Crystal Braves AI that I had been doing quests with in the story prior.
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  8. #18
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Shiva
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Caurcas View Post
    Remove MSQ roulette dungeons.
    Don't like it, don't queue for it.

    Until they come with a better solution, it's the only way to fill up runs for newer players in order to get those done.
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  9. #19
    Player Seraphor's Avatar
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    The amount of EXP and Tomes you receive was adjusted to directly reflect the additional cutscene duration. If you can skip the cutscenes, then they will halve the rewards again.
    If the game could turn skippable cutscenes on/off depending on if there are any new players, then you effectively have two different versions of the dungeons, where one rewards you twice as much as the other.

    What will happen:
    A. A newbie is detected, but the other 7 players don't want to watch the cutscenes, so they either kick the newbie, or they abandon the duty.
    B. No newbie is detected, but some of the other players want the full rewards, so they abandon the duty.

    [This is what used to happen when cutscenes were skippable, if people didn't fold to peer pressure and skip the cutscenes themselves]

    Also what this effectively does is give you two entirely different options when you only actually want one of them, in which case, why not make them separate options in the duty finder?
    MSQ With Cutscenes (full rewards, can have newbies)
    MSQ Without Cutscenes (without full rewards, no newbies)

    The thing is this option already exists, you can simply choose to not run MSQ Roulette.

    Ultimately, MSQ Roulette doesn't exist to give you easy EXP and Tomes, it exists to fill queues for newbies. The rewards are merely the incentive. So there's no point whatsoever in having that second option that excludes newbies.
    There are various other ways to gain EXP and Tomes that are just as efficient.
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 06-22-2021 at 07:19 PM.

  10. #20
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    Ainslie Tinley
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    Omega
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Curisu View Post
    The day will come were SE is making them a solo instance for everyone to enjoy it in their own speed.
    In that moment people will start to complain about the huge exp resource that they lost.
    They will "miss" these dungeons with unskipable cutscenes and great rewards.
    Fr sure I'd miss them and I wish people would stop complainign about them. Don't like them, don't do them.
    They're a great resource for both xp, tomes and even mog tomes farm. And Prae is a good reminder/chance to do things out of game too.
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