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  1. #1981
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    These artworks are ok but what's with their chest? it's non-existent. If hair is the only thing that will distinguish male and female Hrothgar I don't think that's going to go off well with the average player.
    That's been my gripe with the few fan-art I've seen from those who bother to make some depiction of them. Well rendered art, but you're basically wanting them to be straight back Male Hrothgar to appease like 10 people who would actually play that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juzjuzz View Post
    Not everything has to make the average player happy.
    That's a yes/ no.

    Not all forms of content is for every player, Ultimates and Eureka is proof of that.
    But when you're talking about races, you want something that's gonna to please people. The goal in making the Hrothgar was game health, they're here to make the game more appealing to certain Western MMO players who look for more beast/ furry options. So no, not every race has to be popular ... but there's a large difference between the respectable Male Hrothgar numbers and asking for the already niche concept of furry females to be combined with the doubling down of the main reason no one plays Femroe.

    If this game had 5 furry races like WoW that serviced a wide verity of types, then that would be one thing. But asking everyone who could possibly be into making a furry female to also be down with that female looking buff and masculine is putting up a lot of barriers to entry for something that will be the "only option" for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frooty View Post
    I just realllllly hope they have some nice hairstyles and a bonus would be a nice variety of face options i however have no confidence in either of these things
    I doubt it.
    If they are basing them on Lions and taking any inspiration from Ronso it would stand to reason that the females have very short hair if any. And reading people try to play out their faces based on the males is odd as not once in this game have the devs ever given non-lala females the range of faces as their male counterparts. Maybe it will be different now ... but realistically, if I had to guess, I'd say 4 versions of a Ronso-ish face or a Ronso-ish face and maybe 3 of some smaller cats breed faces. Or I could see them doing 4 female versions of the male's face 2, which is more of a generic "beast" than any particular cat.

    But IDK, they gonna do what they do. They know how to make pretty faces, so I'm sure w/e they do I'll like.
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  2. #1982
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    Quote Originally Posted by reivaxe View Post
    That's a yes/ no.

    Not all forms of content is for every player, Ultimates and Eureka is proof of that.
    But when you're talking about races, you want something that's gonna to please people. The goal in making the Hrothgar was game health, they're here to make the game more appealing to certain Western MMO players who look for more beast/ furry options. So no, not every race has to be popular ... but there's a large difference between the respectable Male Hrothgar numbers and asking for the already niche concept of furry females to be combined with the doubling down of the main reason no one plays Femroe.

    If this game had 5 furry races like WoW that serviced a wide verity of types, then that would be one thing. But asking everyone who could possibly be into making a furry female to also be down with that female looking buff and masculine is putting up a lot of barriers to entry for something that will be the "only option" for them.
    Ofc it has to have a balance, that's what i meant. Chest slider will be there aniway i'm sure. I think making the females too delicate is as bad as making them too muscular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    These artworks are ok but what's with their chest? it's non-existent. If hair is the only thing that will distinguish male and female Hrothgar I don't think that's going to go off well with the average player.
    Their clothes, posing and the line work makes their chests harder to distinguish but they definitely have them. Look at the lady in yellow in the second picture.
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    I'm just saying, if they look anything near that fanart I'm popping fanta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LisSquid View Post
    I'm just saying, if they look anything near that fanart I'm popping fanta.
    All male hrothgar would need are some longer hairstyles, and they'd be set! We just have to wait for them to be updated. Here's hoping! Anyway, I agree, great fanart!
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    we have a really basic female hrothgar design which is kind of canon i guess.



    seems like they could be a little smaller and curvier than female roe. (there is also a 2d murial depiction of a female roe)
    i think the murial it self is probably based of an unreleased artwork of the females and the murial is the 2d depiction of said artwork.

    personally i‘d love something along the lines of this:

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  7. #1987
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    All male hrothgar would need are some longer hairstyles, and they'd be set! We just have to wait for them to be updated. Here's hoping!
    Naw that art is very much not a male Hrothgar with hair. xD That's like saying male and female roes are indistinguishable.

    Honestly really hoping that the reason we saw no changes to f Viera and m Hrothgar were because they were doing tweaking on them to make adding further hair/features a possibility. It would have been difficult to release customization and add them to the pile of assets to adjust.

    Absolute longshot, but hoping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fukuro View Post
    we have a really basic female hrothgar design which is kind of canon i guess.



    seems like they could be a little smaller and curvier than female roe‘s. (there is also a 2d murial depiction of a female roe)
    i think the murial it self is probably based of an unreleased artwork of the females and the murial is the 2d depiction of said artwork.

    personally i‘d love something along the lines of this:

    Hmm.. I feel like that depiction is a bit too thin and feminine for the niche many around here might want. I'd say something along the lines of this would be far more popular overall, than some of the other proposed designs though.

    Quote Originally Posted by LisSquid View Post
    Naw that art is very much not a male Hrothgar with hair. xD That's like saying male and female roes are indistinguishable.

    Honestly really hoping that the reason we saw no changes to f Viera and m Hrothgar were because they were doing tweaking on them to make adding further hair/features a possibility. It would have been difficult to release customization and add them to the pile of assets to adjust.

    Absolute longshot, but hoping.
    I don't know about that. Hairstyles on viera sure, but on hroth? It's probably an actual impossibility, since fur patterns or whatever take up the slot. Unless they added wigs to the game, I guess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I don't know about that. Hairstyles on viera sure, but on hroth? It's probably an actual impossibility, since fur patterns or whatever take up the slot. Unless they added wigs to the game, I guess?
    Yeah.. it's a true pipe dream, but so were the missing genders. I'm high on my own optimism again.

    I knew Viera hair came down to being seen as a "race" with Hrothgar. Hrothgar can't have hair, so neither can Viera. So it comes down to the Hrothgar problem, and how to solve it. I would hope that after seeing that needing to pay for fantasia to change your hair was met with terrible reception it wouldn't be replicated with f Hrothgar.

    We've also still got that "unique racial" hair to think about. In theory, Hrothgar hair can be replaced in any other slot that is reserved on another race (if they do indeed wish to continue with this design that these hairs will be exclusive). We have a LL soon, so perhaps we'll hear some of their thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fukuro View Post
    we have a really basic female hrothgar design which is kind of canon i guess.

    Im personally not taking that Mural Seriously, its too stylized and thus vague. And it offers no idea on customization options.
    So to me..its a pretty picture of Bozja History, but thats about it. Maybe thats what some Female Hrothgar look like, but I can't base how they will look in-game based on that paiting.
    I want/need what Male Viera currently have....a Finished Visual In-game Render.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fukuro View Post
    personally i‘d love something along the lines of this:

    Im all for that Body, it looks similar to the FemRoe, which my headcanon believes the Devs might/should go for.
    Since the Males have a similar body to the MaleRoes, I think the Females should have a Similar Body to the FemRoes.

    My only gripe about that image...is the face. Just looks kinda human, if its a beast race, I think it should have a Beast Face, a Muzzle, a Full on Animal Head.
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