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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    What is the context of this acknowledgement? If they haven't experienced it for themselves, it's understandable.

    I'm not sure what you mean here? If people are being hypocrites or liars, that is their problem, but those people exist everywhere. If that disqualifies FFXIV from being able to have a "great" community, I think that's a negative outlook to view life and gives undue credit to bad people and allow them to ruin it for the rest.
    It just calls into question the claim this game actually has a "great community". There's a reason why it's a meme.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    I disagree. It may be a game, but you are talking to and about real people unless you are constantly in RP mode. The game is just a medium where the chat box happens to be. It's why social interactions are not regulated by the game rating, because those interactions are not actually part of the game, though they are connected.

    And yes, trash talk is trash talk, but it has its context. You don't just trash talk everywhere, and PvE should not be about competition.
    Unfortunately, even benign interactions seem to be heavily regulated by the enforcement of the ToS, and players who report others for anything and everything, in the hopes of getting another player banned, with absolutely no regard for context. Knowing full well, if what's reported is acted on, it will likely result in a strike.

    I don't see why PvE can't be about competition. That's why there are things like leaderboards and "World first" races. I think a certain amount of healthy competition can go far into making the game a more fun experience. For that matter, we already had a taste of that sort of competition when it came to the Ishgard restoration, as I recall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    Is the difference that it's a game? Or is the difference there are absolutely no real life consequences?
    Not a judgement call on you personally but I find people are very willing to "trash talk" and try to normalize it when there's no accountability whatsoever but once presented with consequences for their actions they're suddenly unwilling to spout the same vitriol even though the excuse should be the same.

    Trash talk is not "a part of sports" anymore than being a bad sport is. It happens, that's all. People can have a competitive environment without being personally insulting. People can jab and banter without calling peoples actual lives into question. Victim blaming by saying "it's just a game, why are you taking it so personally" after telling people to off themselves (yes an extreme example but not unheard of) is not excusing them from what they just said.

    I don't expect everyone to PG their conversation for competitive games, but it gets taken wayyy too far, far too often and then people try to hide behind it being just a game.
    If someone is going to physically assault another person for trash talk in a video game, frankly they need to get over it. That's way too far, not to mention illegal. Just because one person called another "bad" at some video game, that doesn't give them the right to introduce "real life consequences" or harm someone else over it.

    Trash talk is absolutely a part of sports. For example, you can see it heavily in MMA prior to fights. I also think there's a difference between being a "bad sport" and "trash talking". I'm not referring to actual personal insults either, when I refer to "trash talk". Many in this game take any sort of criticism of the story, or characters as a personal slight. Even simply asking another to play at an adequate level is a lot of the time considered a personal attack here!
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