Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Amnmaat]

It also states that not much changes in most features, like the face and body really. Other things, sure, but the whole androgynous debate is silly - because they will remain mostly androgynous; like faces for example, and their figure.

Don't conflate?

And they only do because roles they play in their race, but that has little to do with their actual appearances. I mean, we're talking about appearances, right? I wasn't exactly on the topic of roles they play.

Roles are determined by the physical body; and it's how they determine who goes into the wild to protect the jungle/forest, and who stays home in the village.
It doesn't say what you stated

It says that until puberty they don't change, which mirrors real life, for the most part. Even male and female Au ri children don't look different at all unless you really look at their eyes.

The male and female Viera we're choosing are not children nor teenagers, they're grown adults.

[Iscah]

i think they‘d make a good pair:

That height balance looks right to me, proportion-wise. If anything the man is still scaled bigger looking at things like the size of the feet, but overall they look like they're at the same scale.

Also, whatever height they end up relative to each other, the women are cheating because they have high heels.

I'm glad someone else made the connection. I remember someone once said that male au ra were the image of eastern beauty standards, but I kept thinking.. really?

Male viera hit that mark of soft, pretty, and young.

It depends on the face and what you do with it, but some of the Auri faces definitely have that softer look to them as well. The scales change the look of it as well.

As I mentioned earlier, Aymeric seems to be based off one of the Auri faces and he definitely fits that Eastern standard.

That was my point though, female Viera are clearly not androgynous, so male Viera would have to intentionally make themselves look feminine to even be confused with one past puberty, and that's only assuming they even have beauty standards.

Females are clearly feminine, males are ambiguous to other races in ways that would make them able to pass for women if they wanted to or if the viewer makes assumptions based on their own race's standards rather than understanding Viera's.

You could even speculate that it's why Viera dress does emphasise their female-ness so it's clearer to them.

Twink is basically how the west describes bishounen, they're not exactly the same word because 'twink' has its roots in gay guys, but uhhh... "aesthetically" they're pretty much the same

It's not a term that I use, but I got the impression that twink is more "young and girlish-looking" (as it gets thrown at Miqo'te) and bishounen is more "beautiful and elegant" (like the nicer end of Elezen).

It says that until puberty they don't change, which mirrors real life, for the most part. Even male and female Au ri children don't look different at all unless you really look at their eyes.

Other parts of that interview indicate that you can't tell them apart even when naked, so it's not just a matter of normal puberty changes. They literally don't know what they are or which role they're going to have to take up until they get there.

Though "don't know what they are" probably implies more confusion that they would have over it. They're kits. That's what they are until they reach the age where they become men or women.

[Amnmaat]

They don't hit puberty when they're 18/20. They hit puberty when they become teenagers at around 13. It states it explicitly that the "they can't tell" phase is before puberty. But ya'll want to make it as if they reach 18/20 and they still can't tell their age.

Male Viera sees a teenage boy in their village and they're taking them. They're not waiting until they're a full grown man at 20.
Do you all even follow the lore?

[SturmChurro]

They don't hit puberty when they're 18/20. They hit puberty when they become teenagers at around 13. It states it explicitly that the "they can't tell" phase is before puberty. But ya'll want to make it as if they reach 18/20 and they still can't tell their age.

Male Viera sees a teenage boy in their village and they're taking them. They're not waiting until they're a full grown man at 20.
Do you all even follow the lore?

These are actually my thoughts whenever I think of that. You can pretty much say the same thing about humans and puberty too, gender roles aside. I think some of the arguments I've read for them being "androgynous" are ridiculous.

[Iscah]

But ya'll want to make it as if they reach 18/20 and they still can't tell their age.

I'd like to see where someone said that.

Anyway all the evidence (i.e. character models) points to them looking as they are at whatever age they freeze. So if that doesn't happen until 20 then that's what they look like at 20.

The FFXIV protagonists have always been treated as young adult age.

[Senn]

They don't hit puberty when they're 18/20. They hit puberty when they become teenagers at around 13. It states it explicitly that the "they can't tell" phase is before puberty. But ya'll want to make it as if they reach 18/20 and they still can't tell their age.

Male Viera sees a teenage boy in their village and they're taking them. They're not waiting until they're a full grown man at 20.
Do you all even follow the lore?

-Male and female are indistinguishable until age 13 or so. Yes.
-The differences between the sexes become clearer after puberty. Yes.
-Do male and female look more alike than different even after puberty? In my opinion, yes.

You literally can't tell them apart when they are younger, so it shouldn't be unreasonable to think that even after puberty, they would still look similar when they are older. That doesn't mean there's absolutely no differences in male and female appearances. They just look similar.

And no, that isn't like actual humans. You can still tell human male and female children apart. With the viera, you can't.

[SturmChurro]

And no, that isn't like actual humans. You can still tell human male and female children apart. With the viera, you can't.

I don't believe this. Like I said in my post, if we remove gender roles. Cut a girl's and boy's hair the same length, dress them in the same clothes, and people will have trouble distinguishing them. It's not uncommon for a boy with long hair to be mistaken as a girl, or a girl with short hair to be mistaken for a boy - this is in reference to gender roles.

[Senn]

I don't believe this. Like I said in my post, if we remove gender roles. Cut a girl and boys hair, the same length, dress them in the same clothes, and people will have trouble distinguishing them. It's not uncommon for a boy with long hair to be mistaken as a girl, or a girl with short hair to be mistaken for a boy - this is in reference to gender roles.

You can't tell younger male and female viera apart even if they are wearing no clothes. It's not the same as human children.

Q: "There is no way to distinguish between them" so that means we can't tell their sex even if they were naked?
Y: Yes, exactly
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[SturmChurro]

You can't tell younger male and female viera apart even if they are wearing no clothes. It's not the same as human children.

Q: "There is no way to distinguish between them" so that means we can't tell their sex even if they were naked?
Y: Yes, exactly
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I actually have a lot of problems with this question and answer, and is this in reference to FFXIV lore, or Ivalice lore - like in-general? If I recall correctly, Matsuno was not consulted for their final design in FFXIV. Furthermore, the answer makes literally no sense for a mammallian species. Like I'm sorry, but it doesn't. Something has to have been lost in translation, and for that matter, I don't see the necessity in asking how viera children look naked. It's off-putting.