Male Viera names?

[Iscah]

I honestly think that has more to do with the really weird thing where male Seekers are always identified by full names even though the "surname" is largely superfluous outside of immediate tribal dealings. It probably made more sense in the original Japanese thanks to their rigid adherence to honorifics. It's more relaxed lately thanks to Krile calling him "Raha" and core Scions lately dropping the "Tia" in dialogue, but I think that's Japanese familiarity rules at play again.

Hmm, I think that partly comes back to the other oddity of Y'shtola's remarks, which is that tia indicates that he doesn't preside over territory - which is true but it's also just the default form of address for everyone except the few that have done something special to earn a different title.

Defining it as indicating a specific status is a bit like saying that "Mr" is the honorific for someone who isn't a doctor, when really it's just the default and "Dr" is the special one that means something. Though I suppose it's a little different when there are only two possibilities.

Still, it would be less confusing to bring up the "maybe he shouldn't be classified as a tia any more" thing (because that's incorrect) or at least have Y'shtola correct it, but still say it's fine to drop the honorific.

Also, you'd think they'd at least make sure Seekers won't call other Seekers "Mr. Tia," but it happens at least once per patch cycle.

I would love to have the option to set up multiple levels of address for my characters - if they stored the information locally it might be doable?

I think you would need three levels of forename formality (formal/full, casual, close), surname and full name, and that would allow for all sorts of combinations like the races where forename and surname are used together like a forename, and also split out actual surname from epithet (like most NPCs have something different on their battle nametags to their actual surname).

So for strange naming patterns like Seekers you'd potentially fill it out with something that doesn't strictly follow what it's asking for - so "G'raha Tia" as the formal first name as well as for the full name, and I think for surname you'd actually put "G'raha" as that would assemble into "Master G'raha" replacing one honorific with another. Or maybe you just put the full name again.

And then you have Plainsfolk, Keepers and Hellsguard who all have compound names but do treat the second half as if it's an independent surname.

[APitaPie]

Sorry to barge in on your ongoing discussion about gender norms and such, but honestly they've stated clearly why things are That Way with Viera, quite distinctly.
As its been said, our concepts of gender identity and expectations don't apply to the Viera race. In lore snippets (and you'll have to forgive me for not having the sources, its late at night and I'm supposed to be sleeping) its stated quite clearly that biology takes over for Viera when they hit puberty. The males are, for lack of a better way to summarize, overcome with testosterone, and they *want* to leave the village. They become hot-blooded, territorial and hit with intense wanderlust. If they truly are genderless as children, i assume that could be the consequence of suddenly having male anatomy sprout off of you like an overnight dandelion.

There's no need for thoughts like gender identity in their culture. Now as time passes, since they are incredibly long-lived, maybe stuff like that pops up, who knows. And as its been stated, people will do what they want in their headcanons. Seeing as how male and female Viera don't ever meet up until its time to pick up the kids and make new ones, they pretty much live outside of our gender expectations to begin with. Who knows, lore says they're mostly loners but they could have their own society that lives the non-binary dream. You must have the proper biology, whether we agree with that or not, to make more Viera, no matter what their identity is outside of those moments.

I'm all for progression irl, but why must irl debates be forced into a fantasy game? If you want to have your character experience dysphoria, more power to you, but I find it incredibly sad to see people feeling the need to bring things into a place where they're supposed to be letting go and being who they want to be.

And not to be that person, but wasn't this a thread about naming conventions? Lol I'm not bothered, but I noticed the original track is waaaaaay over there -points in the distance-

[Iscah]

its stated quite clearly that biology takes over for Viera when they hit puberty. The males are, for lack of a better way to summarize, overcome with testosterone, and they *want* to leave the village.

Stated clearly where?

We have so little Viera canon lore to go on.

And not to be that person, but wasn't this a thread about naming conventions? Lol I'm not bothered, but I noticed the original track is waaaaaay over there -points in the distance-

The thread reached critical mass of nerds with an interest in Seeker naming conventions.

Also I think we concluded some time back that there can't be separate naming conventions by gender if they don't have defined genders at the point when they are given names.

[APitaPie]

Stated clearly where?

We have so little Viera canon lore to go on.

The Viis NPCs give you quite a bit of lore, and while yes, they aren't Viera, the cultures of the races in The Source and The First have pretty much the same base fundamentals. While their cultures are slightly different between shards, their ways of life and biology are the same.
Now as for quotable lore I could link here, like I said, its late and I have no desire to go digging at this exact moment.

[YianKutku]

the cultures of the races in The Source and The First have pretty much the same base fundamentals.

I think it's pretty explicitly stated in the game that no, the cultures of the races between Source and First are very different. See: dwarves.

[APitaPie]

I think it's pretty explicitly stated in the game that no, the cultures of the races between Source and First are very different. See: dwarves.

I have to honestly disagree with that one, there are differences, yes, but they're still fundamentally the same.

As far as it goes with Viera, I'm pretty sure I read an interview somewhere with the devs saying to count Viis lore as Viera lore for now

[Iscah]

I think it's pretty explicitly stated in the game that no, the cultures of the races between Source and First are very different. See: dwarves.

It depends on the culture. Most of them are very different but Viis and Viera seem very similar, possibly because they're so long-lived and in a rigid culture that is less likely to change from generation to generation.

But...

The Viis NPCs give you quite a bit of lore, and while yes, they aren't Viera, the cultures of the races in The Source and The First have pretty much the same base fundamentals. While their cultures are slightly different between shards, their ways of life and biology are the same.
Now as for quotable lore I could link here, like I said, its late and I have no desire to go digging at this exact moment.

I went through the Viis quests in Fanow just the other week and I don't recall them saying anything about the men beyond one quest that amounts to "this beast must have been killed by one of the Watchers - a shame you missed seeing him."

So from that we can infer the same culture of the men living separately and protecting the outskirts of the village, but that's about all.

Beyond that, quote your sources because otherwise there's no guarantee it isn't from one of the Ivalice games or misremembered fanon. Doubly so if you're going to tell us that we're wrong.

[Iscah]

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Additionally, given the general troll-infested mood of the forum lately, I can only regard with great wariness that your entire post history (at the time of writing) is a single FC advertisement seven years ago and your three posts here, the first seeming loaded to set off the same kind of argument that's been raging in General Discussion recently.

[APitaPie]

Additionally, given the general troll-infested mood of the forum lately, I can only regard with great wariness that your entire post history (at the time of writing) is a single FC advertisement seven years ago and your three posts here, the first seeming loaded to set off the same kind of argument that's been raging in General Discussion recently.

I'm sorry if my post count causes you concern. I dont venture into the forums very often as I find them to be full of people who dislike opinions differing from theirs--and trolls. Always the trolls.
I fully expected to not be believed, and you're welcome to that opinion. I'm sorry I didn't come to the table with a full set of footnotes.
In the off-chance that it was ivalician lore that I'm remembering, I don't see how that invalidates anything I said seeing as how they brought in the base lore, for example of mithra from ffxi and altered it and expanded on it for miqo'te.
I also don't understand why I'm sensing hostility about what I said in regards to Viera? If they are indeed a biologically driven race, is that a bad thing? Its different and it gives you lots of room for your own headcanon creativity.


I happened upon this thread while late-night googling to see if anyone had any ideas on what male Viera names will be. And yes, I was a bit flabbergasted that it went from a name discussion into gender identity politics. So I apologize if I seem like I'm coming in trying to start anything, I don't know what kind of discussions are happening in general discussion nor do I care to find out.

I doubt I'm remembering made-up lore as I'm kind of a huge official lore nut. I avoid fanon.

[Fenral]

I mean, as the resident psychotic radical here, from my perspective it was just a few nerds talking crazy as usual until the obligatory gatekeepers showed up and attempted to weaponize the MST3K Mantra to shut down discourse they don't like. Which, frankly, is insulting in any context. Non-participation is always an option.

I still like, appreciate, and respect FFXIV, FFXII, and Yasumi Matsuno himself, in case that needed some kind of clarification.


(Also, TV Tropes linked out to Wikipedia there and I am dying. )