I appreciate Square Enix supporting LGBT rights in FFXIV.

[Lanadra]

Problem with LGBT stuff will always be that members within that community want something that is mutually exclusive.

They want who/what they are and the preferences they hold to be normal, to be something that one wouldn't bat an eye to nor respond negatively to. Yet also they want to keep bringing it into the limelight and emphasizing it with things like pride parades, effectively maintaining a status quo of it being something special, unusual and something that often sticks out like a sore thumb. Something cannot be both so innocuous, so 'normal' that nobody would give it a second thought.. and also so special to the point of it being something that immediately jumps out, something that you cannot possibly not take immediate notice of and pay attention to.

Something that is normal is by definition not special. Something that is special is by definition not normal.

This entire discussion in this topic and the other one that the troll OP posted center around LGBT representation and how prominent it should be. In the other topic specifically the general sentiment appears to be of 'yes there's stuff there already, stuff that has a natural place in the world, in the setting and doesn't feel forced... yet that's not good enough!'.

[PeekayTom]

It’s moreso that people seem to keep trying to force things that aren’t there, and then shove it in people’s faces and state it as fact. It’s pretty bad when most of the people who are saying not everything needs to be lgbt and giving explanations are gay themselves lmao.

That may be the "moreso" for you, but you can go through and read multiple posts where people attempt to say that people are trying to sexualize the children by saying "oh their dynamic is cute together and it'd be great to see them as a couple", let alone having that explicitly confirmed. Those people are mad at clouds and need to self evaluate.

Gender and sexuality. It's not that hard to understand. And it makes no difference actually, if these are the only character traits you focus on you actually work against acceptance of LGBT people, since you make something that should be just normal into a special case. Like a endangered zoo animal that needs to put up on display to spread awareness. I wish it would be like for example our eye color, you don't go out and say "Oh this person has blue eyes that is so special we need more blue eyes in movie and games since it's a fairly rare mutation!". No blue eyes are widespread accepted and thus nobody gives a fork most times. Wish it would be the same with LGBTQ, nobody gives a fork and thus everyone can live their life in peace. But LGBT transformed from a movement into a lifestyle so i have no hopes anymore that this will ever change.

I mean, if you're comparing sexual identity and sexualities to eye color in how the world should treat it, it feels like you're not exactly fully aware of the global situation, huh. Like, everyone wants it to be just "normal" and not a big deal. The problem currently is that people such as myself existing is apparently so abhorrent to other that we deserve to die, or less rights than others. So we get loud in protest. That's all it is, for now, and until that stops, a "normalcy" can't really be achieved. Sorry dude.

[Melorie]

It’s moreso that people seem to keep trying to force things that aren’t there, and then shove it in people’s faces and state it as fact. It’s pretty bad when most of the people who are saying not everything needs to be lgbt and giving explanations are gay themselves lmao.

How is having an interpretation regarding something "forcing" things or "shoving" into people's face. Dude you can literally close your eyes and not read their opinion, no one is forcing anything. Also, shipping is pretty normal and people getting hyped about it shouldn't be the end of the world, romance is popular for a reason. You shouldn't feel attacked just because you don't agree with that sentiment. Personally, I don't have an opinion regarding their relationship... But I can't really see what is the big deal.

Afaik LGBTQ+ people aren't a hive mind in which they all agree with each other. And it's kinda gross that people are acting like someone being LGBTQ+ means we're sexualizing the characters. Are movies like "My Girl", the kid's crush in "Love Actually", "Bridge to Terabithia" and other pieces of media that represent a sort-of-romantic-relationship between kids/teens sexual as well? That's ridiculous.

[KizuyaKatogami]

How is having an interpretation regarding something "forcing" things or "shoving" into people's face. Dude you can literally close your eyes and not read their opinion, no one is forcing anything. Also, shipping is pretty normal and people getting hyped about it shouldn't be the end of the world, romance is popular for a reason. You shouldn't feel attacked just because you don't agree with that sentiment. Personally, I don't have an opinion regarding their relationship... But I can't really see what is the big deal.

Afaik LGBTQ+ people aren't a hive mind in which they all agree with each other. And it's kinda gross that people are acting like someone being LGBTQ+ means we're sexualizing the characters. Are movies like "My Girl", the kid's crush in "Love Actually", "Bridge to Terabithia" and other pieces of media that represent a sort-of-romantic-relationship between kids/teens sexual as well? That's ridiculous.

The problem is people not saying it’s an interpretation. It’s them stating it as fact. It *is* pretty unnerving though how obsessed people are with the girls, and obsessed with that they absolutely must be a thing. People do shove it in other people’s face with replies. “You can close your eyes.” It’s a bit too late for that when i literally have to read their post to see their opinion. Like...what kind of logic is that lmao.

[Ranaku]

To be honest that is exactly one of my points against the lifestyle community that formed behind the movement. Waving flags and screaming that we all should feel good about ourself does exactly as much as spending a dollar at the end of your grocery shopping for poor children in africa. It makes you feel good about yourself but the people over there still suffern and waving a rainbow flag and celebrating in a free democracy while other fellas like us get decapitated is kinda...dunno. It has a bad taste if i am honest. But it's nice to be loud and proud while others scream in silence and fear.

Movements are great until they turn into a lifestyle and the focus on speaking up for problems is put into the background while people use the spotlight more to promote themself nowdays instead of speaking up about those who still have to live in fear for what they are.

[Melorie]

The problem is people not saying it’s an interpretation. It’s them stating it as fact. It *is* pretty unnerving though how obsessed people are with the girls, and obsessed with that they absolutely must be a thing. People do shove it in other people’s face with replies. “You can close your eyes.” It’s a bit too late for that when i literally have to read their post to see their opinion. Like...what kind of logic is that lmao.

That's just semantics. Do every single time someone ships two characters, they have to write a long letter telling people how it's just their interpretation before gushing for a fluff ship? You also have a bunch of people telling them how they're wrong as if it's a fact as well, but that's not "forcing" nor "shoving" in your eyes?
I mean of course they also wrote their reasons to believe in their ship, since y'all are discussing it.

Well next time you can simply ignore, honestly. That way you won't feel like someone is forcing anything on you. Otherwise, it's part of being part of a community of fans of a particular story. It shouldn't be a big deal, I don't know why so many people here are treating like they're being attacked or something. It's just a ship, no one can enter inside your brain and change how you view them anyway, so yeah, you're not being forced. You might be around people with an attitude you don't enjoy, but then... close your tab?

Idk, I often see people gushing regarding ships that I don't even agree with, but what is the point of discussing with them how they're forcing things on me and telling them that they're obsessed and ruining things for other people because of it? Doesn't make any sense, the way that they feel about that ship is not going to change anything in my life regardless, I just ignore it.

It makes you feel good about yourself but the people over there still suffern and waving a rainbow flag and celebrating in a free democracy while other fellas like us get decapitated is kinda...dunno

I mean you can do both, though? You can feel good about being yourself and try to help other people if you can. It's better than just point fingers.

[PeekayTom]

The problem is people not saying it’s an interpretation. It’s them stating it as fact. It *is* pretty unnerving though how obsessed people are with the girls, and obsessed with that they absolutely must be a thing. People do shove it in other people’s face with replies. “You can close your eyes.” It’s a bit too late for that when i literally have to read their post to see their opinion. Like...what kind of logic is that lmao.

I mean, I see a lot of dumb stuff on Twitter and I just scroll past, I don't make it ruin my day.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean, I see a lot of dumb stuff on Twitter and I just scroll past, I don't make it ruin my day.

It doesn’t ruin my day, but i dislike misinformation about story elements period. A lot of people enjoy a coherent story. When headcanon gets spread as fact, it’s makes the lore murky. That’s my only problem with it.

[LaughingBanana]

It doesn’t ruin my day, but i dislike misinformation about story elements period. A lot of people enjoy a coherent story. When headcanon gets spread as fact, it’s makes the lore murky. That’s my only problem with it.

If hypothetically one day say Yoshi-P says that yes, the relationship between Ryne and Gaia is indeed romantic in nature, does it really change any lore of FFXIV in any way or making it "murky"? Will it make any story beats we see during, before, or after Eden storyline become suddenly incoherent, because of that one change? In what why do you suggest that one change will make the lore/story incoherent?

[Rinhi]

way to completely miss their post - and their point