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  1. #41
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    Tracewood's Avatar
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    Eugene Tracewood
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    Would like to see this, I'd like a slickback/spikey short haircut with a bang in the front. Or Zack Fair's hairdo.
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  2. #42
    Player TroySoFab's Avatar
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    Troy La'fabulous
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Context is everything. The reasoning behind "in your opinion" (which was not bold-faced, by the way ... and I'd appreciate it if you didn't do something like that again when quoting someone without adding "bold face added for emphasis") is given below the opening statement.

    Are there problems with the mostly-female written yaoi content? Sometimes. Is it 'sick and twisted'? Depends if you think 'yaoi' is a category of fiction that only involves sex, or if you incorporate the entire BL genre (including light novels and what is more properly called 'shounen-ai'). You'd be surprised at the number of people who do exactly that when they use the term 'yaoi'.

    Are there problems with the mostly-gay-male-written-for-gay-males genre of bara content? Sometimes. Could it be 'sick and twisted'? With themes of domination and non-consent running through the genre, yes, but no more than what is attributed to 'yaoi' for doing the same.

    Gay people write fan fiction with sexual content. Lesbians write fan fiction (and seem better at the male-male relationships). Trans people write fan fiction. Non-binary people write fan fiction. To tell someone they are 'sick and twisted' and involved in 'fetishism' because they said they liked to write so-called yaoi fanfiction (short-hand for male-male relationships) is an opinion that should be nipped in the bud.
    You insinuated that gay people exist just for fetishization and fanfiction by saying "in your opinion". Nobody said anything about being able to write same sex fanfictions, you are free to write whatever you want. But other people do not exist simply for fetishes.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    You insinuated that gay people exist just for fetishization and fanfiction by saying "in your opinion". Nobody said anything about being able to write same sex fanfictions, you are free to write whatever you want. But other people do not exist simply for fetishes.
    No, he didn't. This is what your brain understood.
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  4. #44
    Player TroySoFab's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    No, he didn't. This is what your brain understood.
    If I misunderstood his intent its because his words could lead one to believe otherwise. He said this

    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    In your opinion, yes, I suppose that would be so.

    In my opinion, the "approved male stereotype" in Japanese manga written by gay men is built like a Roegadyn but still with a sick and twisted attitudes around domination and a culture of what I call non-consent.

    I prefer my men to be built like cat bois because I'm attracted to them. And I'll write whatever fiction about them that I like, without giving a thought to your own particular twisted ideas of appropriate male sexuality.

    Now, what, in particular, do you have to say about short, masculine hairstyles that isn't the apparent gay male stereotype in the United States of America at this time?
    Personally, I like longer hair, but then again, I started growing out my hair when the Stonewall Riots and First Moon Landing were Current Events, and I'm letting it grow longer these days as well.

    The problem with longer male hairstyles in-game is clipping. I want to look good in gear, and if I have to stare at the back of my head in-game, at least I want to see it all, not 1/2 of it cut off by the hood of the current gear set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ativan View Post
    Gay people don't exist for your yaoi fanfiction or fetishism. Caricaturing gay men as yaoi boys is sick and twisted.
    Bold typically means someone is emphasizing something. So I'm not sure why he would give an "in your opinion" response to that. Also it is not one's opinion that gay men shouldn't be caricatured and stereotyped into one set box.
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  5. #45
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    Yu Zeneolsia
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    Square should release one masculine and 1 feminine hairstyle each patch and make them unisex, so everyone can enjoy them.

    Please more curls, we don't need more ponytails with braids.
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    Player Lanadra's Avatar
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    Alessia Adaka
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormyFae View Post
    someone thought to launch an attack over a simple statement saying males in ff are suppose to be togeather and jumped the gun assuming stuff like how the world is today without any knowledge that who he is attack is trans and part of lgbt lol.. and without realizing he turned on attack dog mode..
    Ativan is a provocative troll.. you fell for his bait, that's all it is.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roukiz View Post
    I created a quick moodboard showcasing a sample of styles that could be iterated upon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    Square should release one masculine and 1 feminine hairstyle each patch and make them unisex, so everyone can enjoy them.

    Please more curls, we don't need more ponytails with braids.
    I get that this is a style we don't have a lot of and that people want, and there are definitely a number of distinct styles that could be picked out and added, but I still don't see how you expect it to be a thing that gets lots of variations on an ongoing basis.

    If you made a grand list of "all the possible hairstyles you could make with any length of hair", this would be a small corner of it. It's never going to be treated as half the styles they should make on an ongoing basis.

    Even "all the styles you could ever want to use on a male character" is going to be far more varied.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 06-10-2021 at 06:27 PM.

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    Qynden Peltier
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    I'd love to see more hairstyles that lean more barber than stylist, but these devs don't seem to really care. I say this as someone who's had the same fauxhawk since 1.0.
    Because it's one of the only three short hairstyles, that actually look good, 2 before stormblood came around.
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  9. #49
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    Sono Faolain
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    I'd love to see more undercuts, so yes, please.
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    "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
    J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I get that this is a style we don't have a lot of and that people want, and there are definitely a number of distinct styles that could be picked out and added, but I still don't see how you expect it to be a thing that gets lots of variations on an ongoing basis.

    If you made a grand list of "all the possible hairstyles you could make with any length of hair", this would be a small corner of it. It's never going to be treated as half the styles they should make on an ongoing basis.

    Even "all the styles you could ever want to use on a male character" is going to be far more varied.
    Sis, genuinely confused here. What are you actually arguing?

    Even if devs focused exclusively on producing just a third of the styles depicted in the OP, with the rate they release hairstyles, that's literally years worth of content. And here you are arguing the quantifiable limit of styles based on length??? Assuming you're putting aside artistic licence and the gravity-defying nature of the medium.

    As it stands, there's a dearth of masculine styles, some of which are locked behind race. So yes, I'd like to see more of an effort in said direction.
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