Feedback: November is not fall, please don't try to mislead players.

[Gruntler]

The Wikipedia literally says "As noted, a variety of dates and even exact times are used in different countries or regions to mark changes of the calendar seasons."

So it's different for everyone and using Japan's definition of seasons is misleading to players who have an earlier winter. I mean, did anyone actually think "December 20th" in their head when they announced Fall 2021?

Except that those people are often posting from the United States.

And in that country, and every state in that country, Fall ends in December. This is also true for every country in the EU, for the UK, for Canada, and for Australia (inverted to spring ending and summer starting but the date still stands). Thus every major market that FFXIV is in, it is correct to say that Fall ends in late december.

You know this, so you're arguing from a bad place.

[Quintessa]

Why don't we ask the planet?

[Vahlnir]

Why don't we ask the planet?

Planet's response:

[SaberMaxwell]

I don't know what America you live in, but the America I live in (USA) Winter starts in December.

EDIT: Of course this is going by Calendar dates of when winter starts, not when it feels like winter. If we're to go by when it first snows, then I say people in Phoenix, AZ will be disappointed, since Snow may never come for Phoenix.

My residence however is weird. Sometimes it can snow in October for like 1 hour and completely not stick to the ground. Then in December/January it'll rain all night (when it should be colder than in the day) then snow all day and stick to the ground til the next. Then it starts acting like spring for a few days late Jan, but then snow again.

I've never known winter :^)

Actually amusingly there's a little joke in AZ that there are only two seasons: summer and winter, with winter being considered "the three months we're not melting."

To the meat of the thread: I am disappointed it's November but that's not misleading, November is still fall, despite what you may *feel* fall is or not.

[Venandi]

It's funny how your criteria for what determines whether its fall or winter is way too arbitrary (and also ignores the equinox/solstice dates that pretty much everyone uses for seasons) to even work inside of the US. For example, the state I happen to live in doesn't get snow for winter except in the mountains at high altitudes. We do get rain. Lots and lots of rain. If we do happen to get snow outside of the mountains it almost always hits sometime between the tail end of winter and mid-spring. Going by your logic, our winter would be Feb-April/May instead of Dec-Feb. And that's for a place within the US.

Also our big national November holiday is also a autumn harvest festival type of deal, so really don't know how you can think of it as winter holiday...

I continuously ask you to stop, and you do not cease. What is honestly wrong with you? Why do you get off on harassing me?

[Mesarthim]

This is 25 pages longer than it needs to be.

But don't worry you got a little under half a year to continue complaining about it.

[Awha]

I continuously ask you to stop, and you do not cease. What is honestly wrong with you? Why do you get off on harassing me?

Just accept your position and move on. If you feel your position is valid then leave it at that. Though crying harassment just makes you seem weak which is just adding fuel to the fire so to speak.

[MilkieTea]

Just accept your position and move on. If you feel your position is valid then leave it at that. Though crying harassment just makes you seem weak which is just adding fuel to the fire so to speak.

Awha, they're outing themselves in one way or another as just trolling. Either Damian's behind the sockpuppets we've been seeing, OR this person's trolling with Damian's response. Either way, they're outing themselves lol!

I continuously ask you to stop, and you do not cease. What is honestly wrong with you? Why do you get off on harassing me?

[Awha]

Awha, they're outing themselves in one way or another as just trolling. Either Damian's behind the sockpuppets we've been seeing, OR this person's trolling with Damian's response. Either way, they're outing themselves lol!

Maybe I still standby my stance that calling them a troll is giving them far too much credit and self awareness. Call me old school, but I do feel trolls should stick to their convictions populous be damned.

[MilkieTea]

Maybe I still standby my stance that calling them a troll is giving them far too much credit and self awareness. Call me old school, but I do feel trolls should stick to their convictions populous be damned.

I personally think this is the trolling method - weak method, but still it.