Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

[KizuyaKatogami]

I don't think either Ancients or the current people are superior in fertility. Did you read my post where I said Amarout society was presented purposefully to your player character so they see the Ancient world in the wonderful rose shaded eyes of a child to provoke nostalgia?

And to address the beast tribes summoning primals, this has also been resolved as the cycle was perpetuated by tempered individuals and those individuals that could be saved are in the process of being saved. The tempering lasted through the original summonings, causing the cycle to continue and escalate. Now that can be stopped and we see all the beast tribes also don't want this to continue.

Regarding Elidibus and sacrificing people, I suggest you go back and review the story. Elidibus, as the heart of Zodiark, gets to form the frame work of the primal but doesn't empower it in it's entirety. Ancients had to be sacrificed numerous times and then they were going to kill all the life that had formed on the planets (which I equated to the beast tribes of our current existence). So yes there is a significant difference here. If the current humans of the star do not want to eradicate the the beast tribes to ensure their survival, then they are already morally and spirituality superior then the Ancients ever were. Which in turns justifies their survival over the Ancient's world.

Sounds like a whole lot of headcanon with little to no basis. We are given the short stories as well to further give proof of the superiority of the Ancients and their way of life. I suggest you go and read those stories so you can properly give actual info instead of headcanon/fanfiction. Ancients had to be sacrificed yes, the save the planet from dying in which case no one would be alive today. You equated it to beast tribes but they’ve never explained what kind of life it was outside of Venat’s small monologue. So again, no basis and just random headcanon and speculation. Limsa already did eradicate beast tribes for their survival so that’s already off the table. So it doesn’t really justify anything. Again, no one seems to be responding to when i say the fact that, the sundering causes more death than the rejoinings ever would. Everyone talks about the genocide of the rejoinings but never seems to want to address the genocide hydaelyn caused by sundering the world and multiplying death 14 times.

[Kesey]

Sounds like a whole lot of headcanon with little to no basis. We are given the short stories as well to further give proof of the superiority of the Ancients and their way of life. I suggest you go and read those stories so you can properly give actual info instead of headcanon/fanfiction. Ancients had to be sacrificed yes, the save the planet from dying in which case no one would be alive today. You equated it to beast tribes but they’ve never explained what kind of life it was outside of Venat’s small monologue. So again, no basis and just random headcanon and speculation. Limsa already did eradicate beast tribes for their survival so that’s already off the table. So it doesn’t really justify anything. Again, no one seems to be responding to when i say the fact that, the sundering causes more death than the rejoinings ever would. Everyone talks about the genocide of the rejoinings but never seems to want to address the genocide hydaelyn caused by sundering the world and multiplying death 14 times.

Is it headcannon when I use the evidence from the game to form an opinion or make a judgment? Or does my conclusion just not agree with yours?