A PoC Scion please? There is so much untapped potential here.

[Sairys]

I get the whole issue about inclusion yada yada, but seriously.
Your skin color and sexuality is not a personality.

It's really questionable and bizarre imo to like a character simply because of that, I know that we're on the internet and online people seem to think that labels equate to personality but cmon.
People don't seem to be able to make up their minds about Y'shtola either, I've seen people say she's African and '' fix '' her in fanart by literally giving her '' black features '' but then suddenly she's not whenever it's convenient ( I don't think she has ever been, people are rewriting history ).
I get wanting to see characters that look like you etc, but I really think people put far too much weight on that alone too.
It doesn't make the character a good character.

Particularly with the choice of skin colour for characters, there's also not really much reason to not just... make them look more diverse as it wouldn't necessarily make much change for their characters.

As a Sea Wolf Roegadyn, Moenbryda could have just had like green or blue skin which would be more normal than her pale skin lorewise (afaik).
Similarly, at a glance on the consolegames wiki there's like 15 npc Keepers of the Moon listed, none of which are scions as all the scion Miqo'te appear to be Seekers, but also looks like there's only one that's got dark skin/fur, even just rolling a die to randomly assign color options should result in more variation than that. You also have Dunesfolk Lalafell where even though their example images reflect that they tend to be darker skinned the NPC dunesfolk I'm easily finding are super pale.

They wouldn't necessarily need to adapt the characters beyond just... changing the skin colour selected. The lore and character creation options are already there and ready to use. While some of this may not map to real world skin colors, it also seems less weird than all the heroes looking pretty similar, including like... Moenbryda seemingly having a skin colour you can't actually pick in character creation as a Sea wolf.

[LaughingBanana]

It's kinda.... baffling, to see that there would be so many talk about "forced inclusion" when we talk about the insertion of minority characters in media. Even when it's not even happening yet, there are so many folks are already pre-emptively trying to... I don't know, block it? reduce it? prevent it? reduce the meaning? make it scary?...by making it as if any attempt to request or include a minority character into any form of famous media can be immediately inferred as an attempt to "force its inclusion", whatever that means.

Bluntly speaking, I just think that many people who use that kind of rhetoric just don't want to include a minority character in their favorite media, if they're actually being honest about it.

[Kolsykol]

Particularly with the choice of skin colour for characters, there's also not really much reason to not just... make them look more diverse as it wouldn't necessarily make much change for their characters.

As a Sea Wolf Roegadyn, Moenbryda could have just had like green or blue skin which would be more normal than her pale skin lorewise (afaik).
Similarly, at a glance on the consolegames wiki there's like 15 npc Keepers of the Moon listed, none of which are scions as all the scion Miqo'te appear to be Seekers, but also looks like there's only one that's got dark skin/fur, even just rolling a die to randomly assign color options should result in more variation than that. You also have Dunesfolk Lalafell where even though their example images reflect that they tend to be darker skinned the NPC dunesfolk I'm easily finding are super pale.

They wouldn't necessarily need to adapt the characters beyond just... changing the skin colour selected. The lore and character creation options are already there and ready to use. While some of this may not map to real world skin colors, it also seems less weird than all the heroes looking pretty similar, including like... Moenbryda seemingly having a skin colour you can't actually pick in character creation as a Sea wolf.

I don't disagree with your overall point, I am talking about people who I've seen as of late who put almost all of the weight of the character unto their skin color and sexuality.
Altho I disagree with changing skin colors of existing characters, I think it's disrespectful to the characters it's the same with changing body types etc it's just something I really hate in general.
It makes the characters feel less alive if that makes sense and more like playthings, I feel pretty strongly that once a character has been established they should stay consistent unless there's a very good narrative reason.


I don't have any objections to variety and I actually do agree with people that more variety/ diversity is a good thing, my issue is a bit moreso about the mindset behind it.
For example there's some people who legit HATE Minfillia and Lyse ( Lyse especially ) because they're light-skinned, but the fact that they can be light-skinned and Highlanders/ from Ala Mhigo to me is cool and it's actually part of the diversity.
The same way that I think it's cool and don't have an issue with dark-skinned characters from regions where the population would be mostly light-skinned.

The quality of their characters has nothing to do with their skin color, if one would like Lyse for example if she was black but hate her now then those are the people I am talking about.
Or the people who reaaaaaaally obsess about it and that she '' should've '' been black.
And I don't think that these characters *should* be anything necessarily other than what the devs want them to be, and if people want to push for that then I also think they have to apply the same standards for everyone and not just when it suits them and what they want.

But yeah maybe I could've been more clear that I am speaking about a very particular mindset and not just the notion of variety altogether.

[Nyarlha]

Are we pretending Lilja is black while the idea is that she's just the overtanned gyaru archetype from Japan?

[Nanchi]

Are we pretending Lilja is black while the idea is that she's just the overtanned gyaru archetype from Japan?

How do we know she got created with that archetype in mind? Also what do you mean "pretending shes black" she has a dark skintone, that's a fact. I love how once we do not like how a character is presented we pretend they are anything but what we want them to be, in this case black.

[Kolsykol]

How do we know she got created with that archetype in mind? Also what do you mean "pretending shes black" she has a dark skintone, that's a fact. I love how once we do not like how a character is presented we pretend they are anything but what we want them to be, in this case black.

I just don't know anymore...
I always thought of Ramlethal in Guilty Gear as black, but apparently she's supposed to be that tan thing in Japanese culture.
But I never interpreted her that way at all.

Lilja's lips and nails + the hair makes her look that way.
But damn that'd be a deep tan lol.
In the case of Lilja I can actually see why people think she was inspired by that archetype tbh but I also think her skin color is pushed a bit far for it.

[Nyarlha]

What are the chances japanese creators would use a japanese cultural reference?

The long blonde hair and very dark skin, the overdone nails. Yup, it's the gyaru archetype.

It's ironic you would point out people pretending something is anything but what they want to see though.

[Nyarlha]

I just don't know anymore...
I always thought of Ramlethal in Guilty Gear as black, but apparently she's supposed to be that tan thing in Japanese culture.
But I never interpreted her that way at all.

Lilja's lips and nails + the hair makes her look that way.
But damn that'd be a deep tan lol.
In the case of Lilja I can actually see why people think she was inspired by that archetype tbh but I also think her skin color is pushed a bit far for it.

Gyaru can definitely go in the deep end of tanning :

[Nanchi]

I just don't know anymore...
I always thought of Ramlethal in Guilty Gear as black, but apparently she's supposed to be that tan thing in Japanese culture.
But I never interpreted her that way at all.

She doesn't look black to me, actually it's hard to identify someones ethnicity without knowing where they come from, she might as well be from southern Europe, lots of people have that skin tone. The same goes to Lilja, it's useless to debate wherever she is black or not, fact of the matter is that is how her skincolor is represented, we either take it or leave it.

[Nanchi]

What are the chances japanese creators would use a japanese cultural reference?

The long blonde hair and very dark skin, the overdone nails. Yup, it's the gyaru archetype.

It's ironic you would point out people pretending something is anything but what they want to see though.

Yeah no I don't see it. Maybe because she is from a race who naturally can have dark skin. There are SO many sub-categories of gyaru, most of them don't even have the look you are trying to pinpoint which is most likely Ganguro or Mamba, Gyaru is a general term, there are gyaru types that are literally called 白ギャル (shirogyaru) just meaning pale skin and bleached hair. And for the sake of the dev team I seriously hope they did not model her after Ganguro or Mamba.