Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 2)

[KizuyaKatogami]

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So, i don’t really get your first point. You’re saying what constitutes as war crimes or morals irl doesn’t transfer to the games idea of war crimes and morals(which i do agree with), but then, everyone is applying our idea of morals and war crimes to the Garleans so...don’t really get that double standard. I guess Doma Castle flooding can be seen in different ways, but between that and then manipulating tribesmen and using their customs against them to get them to fight for a war well.... take that as you will. The lore book specifically says they were forced to conquer due to being pushed out into the severe,cold region with horrible farming plots and a harsh environment. I don’t really see anything wrong with chemical warfare on this setting though? How is it any different from people who use magic. Chemical warfare is just their version of magic since they can’t actually exploit it. Idk where you’re getting the century thing based on.You don’t know if Gabranth’s idea would fall apart is the thing, that’s purely headcanon and speculation. The same really could be applied to the Bozjan resistance. His ideals seemed a hell of a lot better than what Bozja was raised upon and even some of the current ones. Just really weird to me how people continue to bash on Garlemald for things that even the city states are guilty for. Slavery and Zombification of a rival city? Uldah. Mass murder? Limsa. Correct me if im wrong but Doma intended to summon a primal, which would be a magical version of "chemical warfare" given the aether it drains.

[Vyrerus]

So, i don’t really get your first point.

My first point is that to say something is a war crime is fruitless, because who defines a war crime is usually as corrupt as what's being painted up as the crime. Stating that flooding Doma Castle wasn't a war crime, and going into detail about them was to reinforce the fact that it's not one.

The rest of the post is in reference to war crimes, yes, as a means to point out what are actual war crimes. Perhaps I should have added that just because something isn't a war crime, doesn't mean it's not monstrous or bad.

The almost a century thing comes from how long the Garlean Empire has been around with Magitek committing atrocities and subjugating people. I guess it's closer to half a century, but oh well.

The City States have no direct analogues for atrocities committed by the Garleans, and the few that you compare are past misdeeds which all current leaders find regrettable and either express remorse or pity about.

Also, you have a grave misunderstanding about the differences inherent in chemical warfare versus conventional warfare. Most magic used for combative purposes is purely destructive in nature, and is most aptly compared to mortars, tank shells, missiles, and other highly explosive ordinance. There are only a handful of spells comparable to chemical warfare, ones that erode a person's aether, like Bio or Miasma. The intent of chemical warfare is to kill, and it is often dreadfully painful and cruel in its method. The intent is to stop all or specific bodily functions, and any who do survive suffer long term consequences to their internal organs, usually the respiratory system.

Chemical weapons may be launched by mortar or bombardment over large areas, and can also be mass produced. This is truly what sets it apart from magical spells that do "similar" things, because you can't exactly mass produce Arcanists. Even within the races that are capable of aether manipulation, not everyone can cast spells. Yet, even those similarities do not do chemical weapons justice in their horrors, as we haven't even delved into things like nerve agents.


A nerve agent is a type of chemical that inhibits your neurotransmitters. This causes the body to lose control over all functions, most of which are autonomous. First you lose control of your bladder and bowels, leading you to piss and shit yourself. You start drooling uncontrollably, and your nose starts to run. Then you either asphyxiate and/or have a heart attack. All while being almost completely paralyzed due to muscle seizure. Nerve Agents are generally odorless, colorless, and tasteless. They may enter you through the air or through contact with the skin. Even if you have the countermeasures and antidotes for nerve agents, you are still highly likely to die, and if you don't die, you are still very likely to have permanent brain damage.

As for Doma summoning a primal? No. Never happened. The only primal I'm aware of that was summoned in Doma was Tsukuyomi by Asahi under Elidibus's direction as a frame up to paint Doma as violating the peace talk/prisoner exchange process.