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[Goji1639]

I’m trying to figure out how someone can’t have any essences, I’ve done well over 100 runs of DR, and have yet to run out of essences to use (haven’t farmed them). You literally get them by doing the content. (SF, DR, Zad)

When you’ve done enough runs under 30 min, you’ll understand why people push the essences, it’s minimal effort to maximize time. If you’re not using them, you’re griefing everyone else as far as I’m concerned.

I'm level 14 in Bozja at the moment. In all that time I've gotten exactly 4 skirmisher essences, which seem to be the only ones that are a DPS increase for DPS classes.

You get fragments for doing the content, not essences. Fragments are random turn ins that mostly give you garbage, with a shot at getting something useful. Farming them is for people who want to go all in on Bozja, not for people who want to get their relic and get the hell out.

If nobody uses escenes or lost actions.
45 - 60 minutes.

If everybody does.

15 minutes.

... you could farm what you need, for a LOT of runs, in that half hour.

So, if I farm essences that means EVERYONE will use them and I'll save half an hour?

No, I'll farm them and it won't change a thing about what everyone else is doing, so it'll just be a waste of my time. People don't like Bozja, they just want their relic, so this idea where everyone's farming to optimize their performance in it is just delusional.

[ZedxKayn]

So, if I farm essences that means EVERYONE will use them and I'll save half an hour?

No, I'll farm them and it won't change a thing about what everyone else is doing, so it'll just be a waste of my time. People don't like Bozja, they just want their relic, so this idea where everyone's farming to optimize their performance in it is just delusional.

But like. This mindset is why it happens lol. "If other people don't care, why should I?", if everyone thinks that way, nothing will change.

[Goji1639]

But like. This mindset is why it happens lol. "If other people don't care, why should I?", if everyone thinks that way, nothing will change.

Nothing will change, though. This mindset exists because Bozja isn't fun; it's terrible content that they get people to play only by gating the relic behind it. Me wasting more time in there isn't going to fix that.

If Bozja were fun and engaging, with great rewards I'd be in there all day and have 100's of everything. Instead it's a tedious chore that has only one thing that most people want, and that's the relic. A bunch of disinterested and non-committed people doing the bare minimum is the best Bozja can ever hope for, and it only even has that because of the relic. If not for the relic the place would just be dead, and it probably should be.

[Liam_Harper]

So, if I farm essences that means EVERYONE will use them and I'll save half an hour?

No, I'll farm them and it won't change a thing about what everyone else is doing.

Actually it has changed what everyone else is doing. Speed run PF groups with dps essences have become a thing. Which means players with your mindset are discouraging the few who were carrying you from grouping with you anymore.

Players with your mindset only shoot themselves in the foot.

[Goji1639]

Actually it has changed what everyone else is doing. Speed run PF groups with dps essences have become a thing. Which means players with your mindset are discouraging the few who were carrying you from grouping with you anymore.

Players with your mindset only shoot themselves in the foot.

So, a few DPS essence PF groups pop up and you think that's actually a good reason for me to waste potential hours farming fragments? There's A LOT of people doing Bozja right now; unless you're seeing 100's of these PF groups at any given time, people aren't doing it in significant enough numbers to make any difference.

Players with my mindset are ONLY sparing themselves time and inconvenience. It's called reading the situation and being pragmatic. Me farming essences isn't going to make a real difference in any of MY 15 runs.

If you want to farm essences to contribute to some kind of "greater good" for this content then god bless, but I don't care enough about this content to dedicate hours of my time to a fruitless gesture.

Just stay in duty finder DR where no one really cares who uses essences and what not and do 50 minute runs for all we care. Leave our speedrun party finder DR alone.

Sounds good.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Actually it has changed what everyone else is doing. Speed run PF groups with dps essences have become a thing. Which means players with your mindset are discouraging the few who were carrying you from grouping with you anymore.

Players with your mindset only shoot themselves in the foot.

Be careful your lack of patience and ADHD is showing. MMO's who does speedruns in MMO's? What do you get out of speedrunning it's not like you are getting paid nor getting anything out of it correct? Isn't the game supposed to be fun not treated as a job these days?

It's people that want others to use essences every waking minute are the ones who belittle and berate other players that are the toxic ones. I even have screenshots of conversations in party chat just because their ADHD has to have them finish by a certain time. If these players are the ones who only care about stats then why not play WoW or some other game where that is only thing cared about. I remember a video where a youtuber criticized about certain things about FF14 and it's community only for them to quit the game because they didn't like what he had to say. This is one of those conversations. As soon as you don't like how other's play, meet the standards or talk about the content that isn't 100% great you attack them and make excuses on why everyone should play that way. Not everyone will play that way but it doesn't give the right to mock them for not doing what you and some others do.

I never ask for carries and I make sure to do every mechanic in DR as good as possible. Yet I and other's get attacked because we don't use certain things. Just because it adds a little more time like whoopie do it took a little time. You in a hurry or something?

[ZedxKayn]

Be careful your lack of patience and ADHD is showing. MMO's who does speedruns in MMO's? What do you get out of speedrunning it's not like you are getting paid nor getting anything out of it correct? Isn't the game supposed to be fun not treated as a job these days?

It's people that want others to use essences every waking minute are the ones who belittle and berate other players that are the toxic ones. I even have screenshots of conversations in party chat just because their ADHD has to have them finish by a certain time. If these players are the ones who only care about stats then why not play WoW or some other game where that is only thing cared about. I remember a video where a youtuber criticized about certain things about FF14 and it's community only for them to quit the game because they didn't like what he had to say. This is one of those conversations. As soon as you don't like how other's play, meet the standards or talk about the content that isn't 100% great you attack them and make excuses on why everyone should play that way. Not everyone will play that way but it doesn't give the right to mock them for not doing what you and some others do.

I never ask for carries and I make sure to do every mechanic in DR as good as possible. Yet I and other's get attacked because we don't use certain things. Just because it adds a little more time like whoopie do it took a little time. You in a hurry or something?

Speed and efficiency is incredibly fun lmao.
"Go play WoW" "You have a mental disorder" and you got the balls to call other people toxic?

[Absurdity]

Speed and efficiency is incredibly fun lmao.
"Go play WoW" "You have a mental disorder" and you got the balls to call other people toxic?

I always find it highly entertaining to watch when these self proclaimed "paragons of virtue" with their holier-than-thou attitude berate you for "being toxic" (which seems to nowadays just mean actually putting some effort into what you're doing) just to then turn around and display the exact behaviour they complain about. And people still claim that toxic casualism doesn't exist, lol.

[Vahlnir]

I always find it highly entertaining to watch when these self proclaimed "paragons of virtue" with their holier-than-thou attitude berate you for "being toxic" (which seems to nowadays just mean actually putting some effort into what you're doing) just to then turn around and display the exact behaviour they complain about. And people still claim that toxic casualism doesn't exist, lol.

That particular poster has a bit of a history of this (along with another I've seen here), but yeah, I've seen all kinds in this thread alone.

[BaconBits]

That particular poster has a bit of a history of this (along with another I've seen here), but yeah, I've seen all kinds in this thread alone.

Buddy went from complaining about being harassed for not using essences in DR to accusing Liam of having a mental disorder for daring to have standards and telling him to "Go back to WoW".

Gotta love it.