Final Fantasy XIV University

[WhyAmIHere]

Let's not even go into that, shall we? Personally I would prefer Balance or their community not even be brought up. We have nothing to do with them in any sense.

This also isn't a thread for poking at other people to get a rise. If you don't like what were doing, your opinion has been noted and you are free to move on. Thank you, have a good day.

Lol okay what? Why jump right to the defensiveness?
My point isn't to belittle this attempt at making a community for the game, nor should you take it as such. My point was that even within the balance there are bubbles and pockets and little groups that aren't so bad of people.

If anything your attitude towards my response to someone else that the balance "doesn't have a community" as much as it is just "go here for data and nothing else," is incredibly off-putting. Why would I want to join any kind of community that'd outright say "Oh the largest place for the aggregation of tips and guides for higher-end content? Just go there to read their notes or whatever, just don't bother interacting with them."

Cuz lemme let you in on something.

It's a pretty cool place so far.
Pretty much has a spot for every playstyle/topic you can think of.
Crafting/gathering, housing/deco, glamour, raiding/class guides, new player/general info about 14, etc.

There're channels for that on the balance too. Sure, they may not be as lively as others, but they're still there, and have engagement therein. If you wanna try to warm up others to the idea of your community, maybe don't jump the gun at the slightest spark to attack another group. This all is assuming either you're a part of the moderation/operation of this group; worse if you're just an ardent member and want to "put down the big bad balance." If anyone's goal here was "poking someone to get a rise," so far it seems you're the only participant, and subsequently winner, in that competition.

[EtherRose]

I kind of always chuckle whenever I see anything related to "#1 this/that based off FFXIV logs". That site and it's info will never be 100% correct simply due to the fact that not everyone uses it. So the "#1 Ninja in EU" could quite possibly actually be #20 in EU. Nobody ever factors in the possibility that people who don't use parsers could be better.

Now for topic wise. This isn't a bad idea. Helpful information is always nice.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

So here's the thing. Balance is their own entity that serves a very valuable yet specific purpose to the community. However they tend to focus on one style of play, that of end game raiding. Which we do and will have guides and videos for, but we also have someone working with us for PvP. We have someone who did a very in depth housing guide, and we have role playing and writing guides for those who wish to RP, and a really in depth crafting guide. While balance and other specific discords are there, they are massive and really hard to have a sense of community.

It isn't a Balance vs Us kind of deal, we can both exist, and actually have people part of both communities. I actually got the idea from a RP discord that wanted to have a mentor system for people who wanted to do more than RP. So I looked to Eve University as a foundation, and went from there because due to the way the MMo market is looking, and the fact edgy dps classes always attract a horde of new players. I was wanting to have a community waiting for the new players that will show up around Endwalker.

So please don't turn this thread into "Final Fantasy XIV Civil War" because it isn't that.

I kind of always chuckle whenever I see anything related to "#1 this/that based off FFXIV logs". That site and it's info will never be 100% correct simply due to the fact that not everyone uses it. So the "#1 Ninja in EU" could quite possibly actually be #20 in EU. Nobody ever factors in the possibility that people who don't use parsers could be better.

Now for topic wise. This isn't a bad idea. Helpful information is always nice.

You are right! People probably are better that don't parse, but unfortunately we can only go by the metrics we have available to us at the time. So according to the metrics we have, that's the truth with the caveat being that not everyone parses because in XIV, people won't parse for you without you knowing usually. So I hope that clears up any misunderstanding!

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

Approaching 100 members! At 100 members we will be doing a raffle to celebrate!

[Undeadfire]

I kind of always chuckle whenever I see anything related to "#1 this/that based off FFXIV logs". That site and it's info will never be 100% correct simply due to the fact that not everyone uses it. So the "#1 Ninja in EU" could quite possibly actually be #20 in EU. Nobody ever factors in the possibility that people who don't use parsers could be better.

More of the fact 99/100 is an RNG game on fflogs, there's no way prove who is better with damage numbers. You can be the luckiest player in raid Critting/DH on your main burst with a perfect timed kill and you'll crush the competition, it's nonsense.

[Katie_Kitty]

Don't see the purpose of this when Balance exists, what is the difference? Balance does theory crafting on every job and shares extreme strategies in raids.

Don't really care about this discord either way tbh but I'll say one thing! Even if it was just another Balance, I think competition would be a good thing, and would rather avoid discouraging people from trying to build up a competitor site/community.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

Don't really care about this discord either way tbh but I'll say one thing! Even if it was just another Balance, I think competition would be a good thing, and would rather avoid discouraging people from trying to build up a competitor site/community.

Hey thank you! I just want to say and correct the record, the goal isn't to compete with The Balance. Our goal is to help people have fun and learn FFXIV in a relaxed, supportive and non judgmental environment. That's it, it is a safe space for players to come and share the passion we all have. But thank you for your kind words! I just don't want there to be any hint of a rivalry, we can both exist, and Balance does their job REALLY good.

What makes is different? And our strength? Is we are a lot more casual minded, as in its less theorycrafting and end game top tier raiding and more everything else (Even though we do have sections dedicated to top tier and end game raiding)

People are on edge probably because of the drama earlier in the week, and I had no idea it happened before making my discord, this is not a case of "Big Bad Scary Balance" this is a case of players wanting to offer a more casual minded alternative safe space.

[Nethereal]

Says you. Just gotta know where to look for that.

The Balance is a smaller subset of an already small subset so while they do have a community the large amount of players in the balance are only there for facts, not community.

The only reason you would want to be a part of a community in the balance is if you were interested in being a part of what they're doing, most aren't.

So when I say you don't go there for the community it is a generalized statement, because most don't.

I kind of always chuckle whenever I see anything related to "#1 this/that based off FFXIV logs". That site and it's info will never be 100% correct simply due to the fact that not everyone uses it. So the "#1 Ninja in EU" could quite possibly actually be #20 in EU. Nobody ever factors in the possibility that people who don't use parsers could be better.

Now for topic wise. This isn't a bad idea. Helpful information is always nice.

The actual program itself only requires one person to gather the data of everyone in the instance of said person so while not everyone uses it, it is extremely invasive and almost impossible to run from.

So while there may be people who are better than said # of said rank it largely won't matter because they'll be comparable at best due to the fact the program looks at the fight in its entirety and uses a large amount of collected data to compare the vast majority of players so what would be more realistic is that fflogs example #1 would be equal to if not worse by 1 or a few ranks to no fflogs example #1, there wouldn't be such a big discrepancy.

I think you're vastly underestimating exactly how pervasive ACT actually is.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

We have our PvP guides up now!

[Pepsi_Plunge]

You are right! People probably are better that don't parse, but unfortunately we can only go by the metrics we have available to us at the time. So according to the metrics we have, that's the truth with the caveat being that not everyone parses because in XIV, people won't parse for you without you knowing usually. So I hope that clears up any misunderstanding!

There is more to it, as FFlogs doesn't look at circumstances. For example, let's say Team A clears the complete tier on day two, with an average time of 5 hours per stage, netting it at 20 hours game time. Now Team B also starts blind, but two days later and also only playing the game 4 hours a day. On day seven, just before reset, they also clear the tier, but with an average time of 4,5 hours per stage, netting it at 18 hours game time. Which is the better team? FFlogs will tell you Team A, but is it really?

Second example: Two Ninjas are playing the tier for 8 weeks straight. Ninja A get 8 clears in, once a week. They doesn't practice in between. Ninja B clears the content over and over until they can basically do it in their sleep. On week 8, after the 30th kill of each boss, Ninja B beat the DPS of Ninja A - who had only 8 kills of each boss. On his 35th kill Ninja B even places themself on top of the list. Who is the better player? FFlogs will say Ninja B - but are they really, if they need way more practice and tries?