Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Katie_Kitty]

I'd rather see an auto-flag system where someone who kicks by the dozens every day gets to have a chat with a GM explaining why such blatant overuse is necessary.

Hm? Why would we need that?

The kicking system requires that a majority of non-targeted voters need to approve in order to kick someone. That's the only filter we need. We don't need GMs going around getting involved in party kicks, that's way too much nanny state stuff. Let's let people handle their parties on their own.

[Imora]

So, what's actual valid grounds for kicking here? Officially. Because in wow, "we don't want this person in our group" is perfectly legitimate. Difference in playstyle, bad FPS, stands in stuff, has a terrible transmog. All valid because the majority of players voted "yes" to the kick.

Serious question. Because I shouldn't have to suffer someone that's not doing their job, DPS aside. Tank refuses to do his job or refuses to use tank stance? Healer refuses to heal, or, as I saw earlier, using a DPS macro and 0 heals?

I've had to kick a grand total of one person, ever, and it was a DC not initiated by me.

Since we're talking about kicking people I figured I'd ask.

[Seera1024]

Hm? Why would we need that?

The kicking system requires that a majority of non-targeted voters need to approve in order to kick someone. That's the only filter we need. We don't need GMs going around getting involved in party kicks, that's way too much nanny state stuff. Let's let people handle their parties on their own.

I think what she's saying is if one person is starting too many kicks too frequently in duty finder content, then maybe they are the problem and need to talk with a GM to figure out what the issue is.

I don't know how many kicks would be the right amount to put, especially if the game can't differentiate between kicks from duty finder or kicks from party finder groups. Party finder groups deserve as many kicks as it takes to find a group that fits the requirements. Duty finder kicks should be limited as you get what you get in duty finder and should only kicking if progress is significantly hampered.

[Katie_Kitty]

I think what she's saying is if one person is starting too many kicks too frequently in duty finder content, then maybe they are the problem and need to talk with a GM to figure out what the issue is.

I don't agree that there's any issue here for the GMs to involve themselves with. :/ Basically, it doesn't matter really if someone frequently attempts vote kicks. The vote will either pass or fail, and either way there's no problem for GMs to resolve unless someone involved becomes particularly nasty as a result of whatever happens with the votekick attempt.

[Lanadra]

I think what she's saying is if one person is starting too many kicks too frequently in duty finder content, then maybe they are the problem and need to talk with a GM to figure out what the issue is.

I don't know how many kicks would be the right amount to put, especially if the game can't differentiate between kicks from duty finder or kicks from party finder groups. Party finder groups deserve as many kicks as it takes to find a group that fits the requirements. Duty finder kicks should be limited as you get what you get in duty finder and should only kicking if progress is significantly hampered.

Correct. Not to mention Katie_Kitty's argument is.. somewhat humorous as Awha in particular stacks parties specifically to make sure any kicks he does go through. But yes, my primary point was and is that if you need to kick dozens of people a day.. I don't think the people you're kicking are the issue. I think you, the kick happy person, may be.

[Roeshel]

I think what she's saying is if one person is starting too many kicks too frequently in duty finder content, then maybe they are the problem and need to talk with a GM to figure out what the issue is.

I don't know how many kicks would be the right amount to put, especially if the game can't differentiate between kicks from duty finder or kicks from party finder groups. Party finder groups deserve as many kicks as it takes to find a group that fits the requirements. Duty finder kicks should be limited as you get what you get in duty finder and should only kicking if progress is significantly hampered.

What "progress". Samurai in expert, who is using only single targeted abilities, is not actually hampering the progress of the dungeon. He can't hamper our progress even if they wanted to simply because the rest of us know how to play. My reason for kicking someone else is "if everyone is as bad as you, can we clear the dungeon" if it is no and you've got an attitude, vote kick.

[Goji1639]

What "progress". Samurai in expert, who is using only single targeted abilities, is not actually hampering the progress of the dungeon. He can't hamper our progress even if they wanted to simply because the rest of us know how to play. My reason for kicking someone else is "if everyone is as bad as you, can we clear the dungeon" if it is no and you've got an attitude, vote kick.

A full group using only single target abilities would still clear an expert dungeon easily. Only way to fail one of those dungeons is for most of the group to not be playing at all.

[Caurcas]

Just place a hard divide between the tribes. Let pro parsers play with their fellows, and let anti parsers have their hugbox with each other. No need to have overlap.

[MilkieTea]

What "progress". Samurai in expert, who is using only single targeted abilities, is not actually hampering the progress of the dungeon. He can't hamper our progress even if they wanted to simply because the rest of us know how to play. My reason for kicking someone else is "if everyone is as bad as you, can we clear the dungeon" if it is no and you've got an attitude, vote kick.

PF groups are used for more than just extreme dungeons.

[Awha]

I don't agree that there's any issue here for the GMs to involve themselves with. :/ Basically, it doesn't matter really if someone frequently attempts vote kicks. The vote will either pass or fail, and either way there's no problem for GMs to resolve unless someone involved becomes particularly nasty as a result of whatever happens with the votekick attempt.

Thank you all that should matter is pass fail so speak.

PF groups are used for more than just extreme dungeons.

Thing is nothing in game to my knowledge states you have to play with X people you get randomly. That is just a standard placed by the community.

Correct. Not to mention Katie_Kitty's argument is.. somewhat humorous as Awha in particular stacks parties specifically to make sure any kicks he does go through. But yes, my primary point was and is that if you need to kick dozens of people a day.. I don't think the people you're kicking are the issue. I think you, the kick happy person, may be.

You saying this like this is something I should be ashamed of. I play with friends and playing with friends has certain advantages. Though end of the day they are still their own person free to make their own choices. They are free to click no, I have had it happen once.

Not sure what exactly is the problem. Though for your suggestion to impact me you would have to lower the amount to maybe 2 or 3 kicks a day cause I do not use the DF that many times a day.

Though I would gladly explain why, unless difference of play style is no longer valid what will a GM really be able to eay. Mr. Lalafell please play nice and allow little Timmy to play with you in the sandbox. They could suggest it but I doubt they would be able to force it on me.

If I'm tanking a dungeon and I see a DPS using single target abilities while there's 10 mobs or so I'm going to say something.

1) They're making the run take a heck of a lot longer than it should. They're essentially dead weight.
2) The tank and Healer are both having to expend a LOT more resources staying alive. They might eventually run out of CDs. Seen it happen.

You signed up for the DF according to many here that means you either stay with that person or just leave the dungeon yourself. It is your problem that you find such things to be an issue.