Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Awha]

Please consult Raider.io for more information regarding inquiry: Toxicity

Ahh I forgot not wanting to play with someone is toxic in a random setting for an arbitrary reason. Exclusion is bad. :P

[Miracle_Diva]

parsers will drive more players away than it will help draw players in or retain current ones. Because you'd be a fool to expect that the "average player" will use them in a reasonable and productive manner.

I don't want to sound rude, but it feels like you just have some personal issues with parsers. You keep talking about how you can guarantee that sooo many people were bullied, yet I see no proof or examples of your "personal experiences".
I can talk about my Personal Experiences too, and people don't use tools to trash on others in those.

Heck, I've even used similar tools in other games and I didn't like how they affected my own behaviour; I caught myself turning into a jerk and obsessing over minor details, so I promptly put an end to it right then and there.

Your words from your previous posts.
I've used tools like parser in different games, yet it didn't affect me the way it affected you.
As I said before, please stop talking for everyone.

[Xia_Thas]

Ahh I forgot not wanting to play with someone is toxic in a random setting for an arbitrary reason. Exclusion is bad. :P

Personally I don't mind Parsers and think they are a good tool for measuring yadda yadda yadda but I also acknowledge and understand the distaste of dealing with those who use it to be toxic or down right abusive. People like to tack on all sorts of agendas and assumptions to this topic to the point even the word "Parser" is controversial with no context.

We all know it can be good. We all know people use it for bad. If the subject is met with INSTANT Hathfields and McCoys levels of war there's no way the devs are endorsing it.

What we got right now with the "Blind Eye" Approach is as good as you can get for a compromise for something that's "Technically" against ToS. You have it, You get to use a Parser, YOU WON. Anything "Official" is going to be garbage compared to what's out there now so why such a heavy push for something that you'll complain about anyways?

Ets Just Gaem, Why Yu Heff To Be Mad?

[Awha]

I don't want to sound rude, but it feels like you just have some personal issues with parsers. You keep talking about how you can guarantee that sooo many people were bullied, yet I see no proof or examples or your "personal experiences".
I can talk about my Personal Experiences too, and people don't use tools to trash on others in those.


Your words from your previous posts.
I've used tools like parser in different games, yet it didn't affect me the way it affected you.
As I said before, please stop talking for everyone.

Meh I am all for parsing but let us not kid ourselves people were and will be bullied for their performance in a more open manner then currently.

Though the true crux of the issue is not that tool will be misused but whether that is really an issue that needs to be dealt with proactively instead of reactively with reports, and will reports put such a strain on the current GM staff that would it warrent extra cost and or would it deter people from joining at such a rate that it would hault the growth of tbe game in a meaningful way.

Issue is no side really has the means to answer said questions which foster this well we cannot be certain either way so let us err on the side of caution.

Do not agree but I get it.

Personally I don't mind Parsers and think they are a good tool for measuring yadda yadda yadda but I also acknowledge and understand the distaste of dealing with those who use it to be toxic or down right abusive. People like to tack on all sorts of agendas and assumptions to this topic to the point even the word "Parser" is controversial with no context.

We all know it can be good. We all know people use it for bad. If the subject is met with INSTANT Hathfields and McCoys levels of war there's no way the devs are endorsing it.

What we got right now with the "Blind Eye" Approach is as good as you can get for a compromise for something that's "Technically" against ToS. You have it, You get to use a Parser, YOU WON. Anything "Official" is going to be garbage compared to what's out there now so why such a heavy push for something that you'll complain about anyways?

Ets Just Gaem, Why Yu Heff To Be Mad?

Personally I have an issue with the blind eye approach since I have a inherent disdain for selective rule enforcement. Rather they just openly said you csn use a parser but if you misuse and are found guilty action will be taken against your account.

Instead just don't ask don't tell. Though my issue I had with person I asked the original question which resulted in me wondering what exactly is wrong with removing or not wanting to play with a random person that does not meet whatever standard the group may have.

[Xia_Thas]

Personally I have an issue with the blind eye approach since I have a inherent disdain for selective rule enforcement. Rather they just openly said you csn use a parser but if you misuse and are found guilty action will be taken against your account.

Instead just don't ask don't tell.

I can understand that. If you applied this approach to something else against ToS like let's say RMT, it'd be seen with immense negative feedback. Just goes to further show how not black and white "Having A Parser" as a topic is.

[Awha]

I can understand that. If you applied this approach to something else against ToS like let's say RMT, it'd be seen with immense negative feedback. Just goes to further show how not black and white "Having A Parser" as a topic is.

Oh in my eyes it is extremely black and white. Just allow them let GM's do their job when people report issues of misuse.

I personally think this whole grey area thing is just a product of trying too hard to protect the feelings of others.

[SturmChurro]

Please consult Raider.io for more information regarding inquiry: Toxicity

I mean.. I used to get kicked from parties, because I "wasn't waiting for players", "pulling too much", "no heal healer", not "helping" in PoTD, etc.. I don't think this is a "raider" thing..

[Sotaris]

"Link to a screen-shot of your numbers, or you can't join this party. By the way, you'll need to have your gear inspected to ensure your iLevel is at least 30 above content requirement as well."

I wouldn't join that party, simple as that. Or making my own PF group. Also this type of scenario would be quite rare overall as people don't request your fflogs today for PF minus a scarce minority that I wouldn't be joining any how.

[Seera1024]

Oh in my eyes it is extremely black and white. Just allow them let GM's do their job when people report issues of misuse.

I personally think this whole grey area thing is just a product of trying too hard to protect the feelings of others.

The topic isn't black or white though.

Some people want parsers and don't care how toxic the game becomes after it.

Some people do not want parsers at all and think that adding them will definitely make the game completely toxic the moment they are allowed.

Some people on both sides of the issue realize that there is a risk to adding parsers and what impact it will have on this game's community. Will the moderators be able to prune the toxic people out of the game before they do enough damage to the reputation? Perception is reality and if too many people voice their bad experiences due to parsers, it could give a bad perception, even if those experiences make up a vast minority of runs.

As for me, I'm fine with their current stance with parsers because I'm not sure the benefit of parsers is worth the risk mentioned above given the current position on parsers.

[ForteNightshade]

"Link to a screen-shot of your numbers, or you can't join this party. By the way, you'll need to have your gear inspected to ensure your iLevel is at least 30 above content requirement as well."

Why are you entitled to join someone else's party? They could put up "only catgirls in bikinis are allowed" and it's perfectly valid because they put up the PF.

Followed by "This is bad. How did someone like you ever make level [60/70/80] !? Blacklisted".

This is nonsense. Unlike you, I've actually been in parse parties or in PFs where people are clearly aiming for logs. They very rarely care about you beyond whether you met the PF requirements and are able to perform mechanics. If the party isn't up to snuff, they'll likely ditch without saying a word. Some random person they meet in PF will likely be forgotten within an hour unless they stand out in some specific way. In fact, Arthars and Xeno, two notorious streamers who are often cited as "bullies" have said as much. They don't remember you nor do they care beyond the moment you're failing a mechanic which wipes everyone else.

The idea people would suddenly start blacklisting you for poor gear is pointless fearmongering. Unless your gear is so bad, you can barely live an AoE.