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  1. #891
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I honestly don't understand what keeps them to add Viera for styles - after - their inception.

    Hrothgar... They might have an argument since their lion-shaped heads are completely different from the others. Viera, however... is a humanoid head like everyone else's.

    The ears start at the top of the head, a good portion of the styles have very flat top, nothing to clip upwards through the ears.

    To me they seem to be resting on a poor excuse. I can understand hats - most of them have elements that would clip through the very vertical ears - but there's no excuse for hairstyles.
    There is no poor excuse. It doesn't take much to come up with a logical understanding as of why. However, logic and common sense seems to be replaced with frustration and anger because some individuals aren't getting their hairstyles they want in a timely manner.

    As for the logical explanation - Hairstyles, are not important. Hairstyles, are on the bottom of the list as opposed to actual content. If it took them this long to shell out male Viera, it's going to take a little bit longer for more hairstyles. As to why it took this long? Well if you follow live letters you would know that they follow a strict update/patch schedule as to where they try to keep it to a point where they push out updates every few months. With Endwalker being a larger expansion than ShadowBringers (Per Yoshida) and them trying to keep consistent patch updates throughout covid-19, it's a given fact they could care less about hairstyles right now.

    I'm sure they are coming. Just like how they got male Viera in and female Hrothgar on the way.

    Right now all I'm seeing with these hairstyle threads is nothing but a good portion of people poised as kids screaming at their mom (SE) and throwing a tantrum because they couldn't get a candy bar at the store.
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  2. #892
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    Kari-Illderthane's Avatar
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    Kari Causland
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    Or maybe they could just alternate between which races get's a hair styles instead of just doing the same races over and over. So the argument of development time doesn't really work.

    Unless there is some technical issue that is actually stopping them being added, like say trying to make Viera hair then getting ported to the other races.
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    Last edited by Kari-Illderthane; 05-27-2021 at 04:01 AM.

  3. #893
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    flipwizardmagoo's Avatar
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    Luc Belaire
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    If hairstyles weren’t important, they wouldn’t make them.

    That’s why we don’t have any of them - female Viera aren’t important now that they exist.
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  4. #894
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    Abaigeal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtherRose View Post

    Right now all I'm seeing with these hairstyle threads is nothing but a good portion of people poised as kids screaming at their mom (SE) and throwing a tantrum because they couldn't get a candy bar at the store.
    clearly you haven't been following any of the threads then, because if you were, you would understand. Its not about not having a candy bar. Its about being told we can have cake. and then the cake being a lie and never showing up and never being delivered. and two years later after waiting patiently, After a few small pokes and questions of asking "hey- um.. you said this was coming...can we have an update" The update is silence...and more silence and then more silence...followed by more time and more years- then get OH HEY HERE IS A WHOLE ANOTHER HALF OF A RACE.

    We are not upset about getting the additional genders. we are more upset that we have been pulled along on a leash told more info is coming about something that was promised because the Races were released in an unfinished state, which was admitted!!! And have heard nothing about fixing the current state of them...only adding new features...with nothing regarding teh original ask or promise....

    TL;DR It was not a candy bar...it was cake...and Cake was a lie...
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  5. #895
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari-Illderthane View Post
    Or maybe they could just alternate between which races get's a hair styles instead of just doing the same races over and over. So the argument of development time doesn't really work.

    Unless there is some technical issue that is actually stopping them being added, like say trying to make Viera hair then getting ported to the other races.
    I wonder if we'd start getting threads asking why they were left out, but it's like miqo'tes asking why they can't use the new hair?
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  6. #896
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    BunniEclair's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtherRose View Post
    There is no poor excuse. It doesn't take much to come up with a logical understanding as of why. However, logic and common sense seems to be replaced with frustration and anger because some individuals aren't getting their hairstyles they want in a timely manner.

    As for the logical explanation - Hairstyles, are not important. Hairstyles, are on the bottom of the list as opposed to actual content. If it took them this long to shell out male Viera, it's going to take a little bit longer for more hairstyles. As to why it took this long? Well if you follow live letters you would know that they follow a strict update/patch schedule as to where they try to keep it to a point where they push out updates every few months. With Endwalker being a larger expansion than ShadowBringers (Per Yoshida) and them trying to keep consistent patch updates throughout covid-19, it's a given fact they could care less about hairstyles right now.

    I'm sure they are coming. Just like how they got male Viera in and female Hrothgar on the way.

    Right now all I'm seeing with these hairstyle threads is nothing but a good portion of people poised as kids screaming at their mom (SE) and throwing a tantrum because they couldn't get a candy bar at the store.
    Got bored talking down to people in the other thread and decided to come into the megathread, eh?

    I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this but again: If hairstyles are so “unimportant compared to actual content” then why are all of the other races currently getting them as rewards for the “actual content” while we are getting none? This includes the newest hairstyle, which despite the player base claiming that the dev team is so pressed they can only copy and paste, is modified specifically for miqote so the ponytail doesn’t clip with their ears.

    That being said, please try to understand the actual workflow. Hairstyles for these races are not on the back burner for “actual content”. They are on the back burner in favor of other cosmetics, which is the problem. Using your condescending analogy, we are not crying for a candy bar at the store. We are asking for a candy bar after everyone around us has been given 10, and we are repeatedly just shushed and told to wait our turn as everyone else gorges themselves while we watch.

    The only person behaving childishly here is you.
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  7. #897
    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Sargatanas
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    They just need to put out a statement about Hrothgar and that adding a beast race makes adding hairstyles and hats/helmets for them a very hard process. But that they will fix the Viera hair/hats situation in the meantime while they figure something out for Hrothgar.

    Now, by me saying this it's not that I'm opposed to Hrothgar getting fixed, but let's also be honest about the Hrothgar situation, their heads are animal heads. Fitting human hair on animals heads is a task and half whether in real life or in game.

    People who asked for beast races know that this is a problem throughout many mmorpgs and here we are



    When they said Viera/Hrothgar would need their own unique hairstyles, I can see why it would apply to Hrothgar, not really to Viera. Viera is just Miqo'te or Hyur with rabbit ears when we strip things down.
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  8. #898
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abaigeal View Post
    clearly you haven't been following any of the threads then, because if you were, you would understand. Its not about not having a candy bar. Its about being told we can have cake. and then the cake being a lie and never showing up and never being delivered. and two years later after waiting patiently, After a few small pokes and questions of asking "hey- um.. you said this was coming...can we have an update" The update is silence...and more silence and then more silence...followed by more time and more years- then get OH HEY HERE IS A WHOLE ANOTHER HALF OF A RACE.

    We are not upset about getting the additional genders. we are more upset that we have been pulled along on a leash told more info is coming about something that was promised because the Races were released in an unfinished state, which was admitted!!! And have heard nothing about fixing the current state of them...only adding new features...with nothing regarding teh original ask or promise....

    TL;DR It was not a candy bar...it was cake...and Cake was a lie...
    It's worse, it's like if there's a party, there are 14 kids - 12 of them get a slice of pizza (or cake, whatever) and the other 2 are told to wait for theirs. Minutes keep passing, then hours, the party is almost over, and the other kids are given more and more slices, with the other 2 only being told "be patient" anytime they ask....then when they're approached, finally thinking they're getting something, they're told "your mom called and your siblings are coming too" without even mentioning chances are they're not getting slices either. So now there's 4 kids that may or may not eat any slice of that pizza/cake while the other 12 kids practically ate a whole box each, and that exact scenario will repeat on the next party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  9. #899
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    Akimori's Avatar
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    Mihovil Jollasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    They just need to put out a statement about Hrothgar and that adding a beast race makes adding hairstyles and hats/helmets for them a very hard process. But that they will fix the Viera hair/hats situation in the meantime while they figure something out for Hrothgar.

    Now, by me saying this it's not that I'm opposed to Hrothgar getting fixed, but let's also be honest about the Hrothgar situation, their heads are animal heads. Fitting human hair on animals heads is a task and half whether in real life or in game.

    People who asked for beast races know that this is a problem throughout many mmorpgs and here we are



    When they said Viera/Hrothgar would need their own unique hairstyles, I can see why it would apply to Hrothgar, not really to Viera. Viera is just Miqo'te or Hyur with rabbit ears when we strip things down.
    Charrs, khajit, etc etc
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  10. #900
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    Mihovil Jollasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari-Illderthane View Post
    Or maybe they could just alternate between which races get's a hair styles instead of just doing the same races over and over. So the argument of development time doesn't really work.

    Unless there is some technical issue that is actually stopping them being added, like say trying to make Viera hair then getting ported to the other races.
    I like this idea, but i can already foresee the threads if the other races complaining why they can't use the hairstyle :^)
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