Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Well well...something to read amidst daily chores & while waiting for maintenance.... not bad

Fun aside...
In the end, I still hope they'd at least add some sort of personal metric, even if it's just something like "A B C D E" result. Pointless? Probably. But I'd love to see these to spark that 'omg I really want to see myself get an A!'-motivation within some players. At least that's something---a direct feedback from the game, telling you that you've done good and/but can probably do better.

Comparing one's performance is another story, however. There's no way such official tool will not attract those hands who would weaponize them in a way we wouldn't want to see it impacts the game's health.

The current state is probably for the best for both spectrum.
One side can stay with their carefree, casual contents and be grateful that they still have some players who actually doesn't mind doing the harder work (yes that is fine, to a certain extent). Unhappy with something? Vote kick/dismiss or just leave. SE allows that.
The other side can bask in their above average to stellar group performance along while claiming their eligible rewards for their efforts. No need to be rude when somebody doesn't live up to your expectation. Probably some word of advice (whoa careful there :^)), vote kick/dismiss or just leave. Again, SE allows that.

[VelKallor]

Mayhap, but that doesn't change my position on the matter nor the points that back me up. I'm not going to stop pushing for such things.

Push all you like, it wont change a thing.

As long as you know, and are aware, the moment I see anyone posting ACT parse numbers into public chat, that person gets reported immediately. We do not need, nor do we want, the kind of toxicity and meta slaving WOW has to "offer", and quite frankly, one factor you are overlooking is that a lot of people joined FF 14 because they have had a gutful with that kind of aggressive, poisonous attitude.

FF 14 isnt a game you play with a spreadsheet to determine which job is "optimal", and then ridicule and abuse people who dont fit your spurious "meta". All classes are viable in all content, and SE will not allow a situation where classes and jobs they have poured their heart into are discriminated against on the basis of some third hand uninformed "theorycrafting".

There will not ever be any kind of ingame parser, and I doubt very much Yoshi will EVER be budged on that issue.

[Awha]

Every single class, every single job, brings useful talents to the table.

FF 14 doesnt bow down to metaslaves, and that concept is in fact counter to every design principle in the game. Having some jobs rejected for content on the basis of some ephemeral "meta analysis by spreadsheet" is in direct contravention to their ideals for the game as a whole

EVERY SINGLE job is viable in all content.

ALL.

To be fair the same standard is in place in other games. Viable and meta hold different meanings. Being rejected by the community does not mean a job is not viable.

Sure some do not like metaslaves but not everyone is a meta slave other groups do take the player and not the class.

Though if someone wishes to take a weaker class cause they like the play style cool. Though to view class exclusion as an issue seems weird some people will always strive for the best possible setup that is where they find enjoyment.

Though some classes are objectively worse then othere in the role which will always be the case with our without a parse unless every class in a role was the exact same. So what exactly is the issue with having a parse if a divide already exists.

Also discussions are fun so even if nothing will officially come of it still interesting to see the views of others.

[Caurcas]

Push all you like, it wont change a thing.

As long as you know, and are aware, the moment I see anyone posting ACT parse numbers into public chat, that person gets reported immediately. We do not need, nor do we want, the kind of toxicity and meta slaving WOW has to "offer", and quite frankly, one factor you are overlooking is that a lot of people joined FF 14 because they have had a gutful with that kind of aggressive, poisonous attitude.

FF 14 isnt a game you play with a spreadsheet to determine which job is "optimal", and then ridicule and abuse people who dont fit your spurious "meta". All classes are viable in all content, and SE will not allow a situation where classes and jobs they have poured their heart into are discriminated against on the basis of some third hand uninformed "theorycrafting".

There will not ever be any kind of ingame parser, and I doubt very much Yoshi will EVER be budged on that issue.

I mean everyone that mains Bard in content that counts knows it's in a bad spot, and want it made great again. It's been pretty rough all xpac. People use these tools to figure how jobs they enjoy are doing, and when they are doing poorly they want them fixed instead of burying their head in the sand and cry "meta slave".

[VelKallor]

Though if someone wishes to take a weaker class cause they like the play style cool.

There is no such thing as a 'weaker" class or job.

[Fawkes]

I mean everyone that mains Bard in content that counts knows it's in a bad spot, and want it made great again. It's been pretty rough all xpac. People use these tools to figure how jobs they enjoy are doing, and when they are doing poorly they want them fixed instead of burying their head in the sand and cry "meta slave".

The meta only exists because of parsers though. If people didn't parse you'd just clear the content on whatever job you want. Being familiar with a job is more important than if it's the meta job or not.

[Awha]

There is no such thing as a 'weaker" class or job.

That is not true that is just the nature of job balance one will always be better then the other from a numbers PoV but that does not make the other any less viable.

Now if you want to say that the players were never meant to have such data to make such a claim fine then in your world where they do not exist then yes no job is weaker cause the players would have no means to judge job performance outside maybe clear times.

Though that is the thing though the game has damage numbers on the screen only way the players to not know at all would be to remove all damage and health numbers then maybe you could make the claim that no class is weak cause everyone would more or less be hitting for the same just with a different flavor so to speak.

Numbers wise Bard is the worst if the range physical role. That is an objective fact. Can they clear content yes, but they reality is they are still the worse.

[EthanMoonkin]

Yes yes yes to all of this.

It's all about performance based mentality vs entitlement mentality.

No matter how much time you have to play the game, anyone can improve if they have the right mindset. These players are called toxic elitists if they would like to have tools that would give them valuable information on how to improve.

Like it or not, high end content in this game is performance based, and requires everyone in the party to have good teamwork, knowledge of your class, and skill. If you don't want to play that kind of content, then don't. The choice is yours. But don't deny people tools that could help them improve. As a solution, I would suggest only savage and ultimate raids have the option to parse. That way would promote less toxic attitudes I think.

As a healer I completely agree that content becomes resident sleeper boring. How they thought removing half of our DPS kit would be fun in any way still blows my mind.

[TaleraRistain]

Though to view class exclusion as an issue seems weird some people will always strive for the best possible setup that is where they find enjoyment.

You're looking at this from the XIV viewpoint, where everyone can be all classes. Most MMOs lock you to one class. That's why alts are so popular in other MMOs. So class exclusion is a huge deal in other games because in most you either can't change your class or you have to pay to be able to do so. So suddenly you have a max level character who can't progress at all.

It's still an issue here in XIV because if you only have one class, now you can't progress until you level or pay to boost another.

[WoW]

There is no such thing as a 'weaker" class or job.

Says the casual who can't use a single job properly. Of course there is no such thing as a weaker job to you. You probably have them all 0 so you can't be weaker at all rofl! Can you learn to quote properly btw? O is that hardcore for you?


Don't you all like it when someone has the data to back up their claims, and you find this person that relies on "their emotions" to reject these claims?