Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Awha]

Every single class, every single job, brings useful talents to the table.

FF 14 doesnt bow down to metaslaves, and that concept is in fact counter to every design principle in the game. Having some jobs rejected for content on the basis of some ephemeral "meta analysis by spreadsheet" is in direct contravention to their ideals for the game as a whole

EVERY SINGLE job is viable in all content.

ALL.

To be fair the same standard is in place in other games. Viable and meta hold different meanings. Being rejected by the community does not mean a job is not viable.

Sure some do not like metaslaves but not everyone is a meta slave other groups do take the player and not the class.

Though if someone wishes to take a weaker class cause they like the play style cool. Though to view class exclusion as an issue seems weird some people will always strive for the best possible setup that is where they find enjoyment.

Though some classes are objectively worse then othere in the role which will always be the case with our without a parse unless every class in a role was the exact same. So what exactly is the issue with having a parse if a divide already exists.

Also discussions are fun so even if nothing will officially come of it still interesting to see the views of others.

[VelKallor]

Though if someone wishes to take a weaker class cause they like the play style cool.

There is no such thing as a 'weaker" class or job.

[Awha]

There is no such thing as a 'weaker" class or job.

That is not true that is just the nature of job balance one will always be better then the other from a numbers PoV but that does not make the other any less viable.

Now if you want to say that the players were never meant to have such data to make such a claim fine then in your world where they do not exist then yes no job is weaker cause the players would have no means to judge job performance outside maybe clear times.

Though that is the thing though the game has damage numbers on the screen only way the players to not know at all would be to remove all damage and health numbers then maybe you could make the claim that no class is weak cause everyone would more or less be hitting for the same just with a different flavor so to speak.

Numbers wise Bard is the worst if the range physical role. That is an objective fact. Can they clear content yes, but they reality is they are still the worse.

[TaleraRistain]

Though to view class exclusion as an issue seems weird some people will always strive for the best possible setup that is where they find enjoyment.

You're looking at this from the XIV viewpoint, where everyone can be all classes. Most MMOs lock you to one class. That's why alts are so popular in other MMOs. So class exclusion is a huge deal in other games because in most you either can't change your class or you have to pay to be able to do so. So suddenly you have a max level character who can't progress at all.

It's still an issue here in XIV because if you only have one class, now you can't progress until you level or pay to boost another.

[Awha]

You're looking at this from the XIV viewpoint, where everyone can be all classes. Most MMOs lock you to one class. That's why alts are so popular in other MMOs. So class exclusion is a huge deal in other games because in most you either can't change your class or you have to pay to be able to do so. So suddenly you have a max level character who can't progress at all.

It's still an issue here in XIV because if you only have one class, now you can't progress until you level or pay to boost another.

Yes I am looking at it through FFXIV cause I really do not think it will be as doom and gloom as many make it out to be given the glass dynamic with their designe philosophy. Though even in other games I have raised in WoW as meme classes i have never faced exclusion to the point where I could not clear content or get groups. Sure it may be harder require greater effort on my part to prove my worth but I was able to find groups that did not mind.

As I said what is weird about it is the mindset will always exist with or without parsing so why fight it. Just avoid playing with those type of people it is not the end of the world.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

As I said what is weird about it is the mindset will always exist with or without parsing so why fight it. Just avoid playing with those type of people it is not the end of the world.

This is genuinely why I tend to stick with PF. It's unlikely I'll find certain folks in my Extreme farms or Savage reclears. And since I'm maxed out on all my jobs, cap on tomestones via Extreme farms and finished my 2000 Mentor roulettes I only really ever roll the dice when I'm bored or when I want to do PvP. It's always nice to be around like-minded folk.