Fire II

[ReiMakoto]

My impression from this thread is that you guys aren't really black mages. You're all really Calculators masquerading as black mages.

I never understand comments like this, do you find hitting buttons that are strictly worse than other buttons fun? I don't get that, making the button serve a purpose is more fun for everyone.

[AC9Breaker]

MCH was my main in Stormblood is my answer to your question, but more importantly; my facetious comment invoking a serious question from anyone was something I had not anticipated.

[ReiMakoto]

MCH was my main in Stormblood is my answer to your question, but more importantly; my facetious comment invoking a serious question from anyone was something I had not anticipated.

I also mained mch in SB, im not sure how that answers the question?

[AC9Breaker]

I also mained mch in SB, im not sure how that answers the question?

I guess that analogy went over your head. Not motivated enough to explain it.

[ReiMakoto]

I guess that analogy went over your head. Not motivated enough to explain it.

That or your analogy doesnt actually make any sense and youre just trying to save face by being nonchalantly dismissive. Its okay dude, we all say stupid things every now and then.

[AC9Breaker]

Fine Ill take the bait.

do you find hitting buttons that are strictly worse than other buttons fun?

The general consensus was that Machinst was the worse physical ranged DD in 4.0. Damage ceiling was lower and required more effort to play effectively compared to Bard. Its cumbersome implementation of resources and abilities is one of the reasons. It also offered none of the utility that Bard did. In this sense, the analogy is that MCH is a strictly worse version of bard. It was my "button" that I enjoyed playing and had fun with even though bard was superior to it.

I get it though. Critical thinking isn't many peoples strong suit.

[ReiMakoto]

Fine Ill take the bait.


The general consensus was that Machinst was the worse physical ranged DD in 4.0. Damage ceiling was lower and required more effort to play effectively compared to Bard. Its cumbersome implementation of resources and abilities is one of the reasons. It also offered none of the utility that Bard did. In this sense, the analogy is that MCH is a strictly worse version of bard. It was my "button" that I enjoyed playing and had fun with even though bard was superior to it.

I get it though. Critical thinking isn't many peoples strong suit.

Oh so you were making a complete tangent not relevant to the discussion, cool. We were talking about the balance of black mage and the fact that it contains buttons within its own kit which are sub optimal to press and dont contribute to blms playstyle so pressing them is objectively bad. Your comparison of mch being a "bad button" when compared to bard doesnt logically track as as bawked as SB machinist was, its buttons all contributed to its kit, and for better or worse it was mostly balanced by the end (first ultimate clears used mch). Saying picking MCH over brd in SB is equivalent to a BLM choosing to use fire 2 is such mental gymnastics im not sure how anyone was supposed to dissect your thinking. This is not even getting into flavour/taste arguments.

To simplify further:
SB MCH:
Viable, Different Playstyle, More optimal than BRD in certain non-meta comps, dismantles lower CD and more immediate usefulness made it better defensive utility than troub at times

Fire 2:
Objectively Terrible beyond a certain level, Actively trolling your party/limiting effectiveness to use.