Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Iscah]

Maybe it wouldn't be more limited in the total amount of hairstyles because they could've made something else instead, but if a hairstyle like the one I'm using right now (or several of the other Viera hairstyles I'm quite fond of) wouldn't be possible, how can that not be limiting?

But would you miss it if it never existed? Or if there was a different style that had the same pigtails on the sides of the head and a third ponytail in the middle from the between-the-ears section? Or even just one where the hair wrapped around the ears instead of through them?

"Lots of people use this style" isn't really an argument when if there was a different selection of styles, people would be using those styles.

[tehneyrzomb]

Yeah, echoing this sentiment. I actually started to get really excited when they started hinting at something bunny related at fanfest, even though I'd gone in with low expectations and tried to keep them low. It sounds pessimistic, but as happy (and very surprised) as I was to see that it was actually male Viera being announced, it's hard to even let myself be excited when, based on what we've seen so far, I can only expect they'll be every bit as limited as fem Viera are now.

I mean, I did the math, and fem miqo get 51 hairstyles at character creation (45 if you knock of the very slight variations) compared to Viera's 17 (and whopping 8 if you knock off the variants). Like it is not a small difference, and that's just starter hair only, not even looking at aesthetician styles OR hats. Like the difference in customizability is huge. I threw out most of my hats at the start of ShB because I just loved Viera so much, but it's hard to keep loving them when it feels like they haven't gotten any love since being added.

And Hrothgar have it even worse.

Same, my expectations were set very low going in. It's so hard to be excited when we've been having these problems for two years. I am excited, but not to the extent I would be if I actually had options.

AND THAT MATH! I didn't even realize! Geez, no wonder all the Vieras and Hrothgars end up looking the same. This is so disappointing.

Also, just popping in as I was dicussing on discord and was reminded that for community event such as the fanfest screenshot contests, 2 out of the 4 prizes available are not relevent for players playing Viera or Hrothgar, and that ties in with us getting cut out of rewards for in game events and the loss of content such as grinding for hairstyles, etc. I know it's a small thing, but something needs to be done.

This is a big YIKES tbh.

As far as I am concerned, SE are completely obsessed with clipping. In a very weird way too, they seem to be really over the top about it in some ways, and then really lax about it in other ways.

Like all the hairstyles that clip through armor no matter what race. Those tall, wide collars do the hair clipping no good.

[tehneyrzomb]

I see the argument about "why do male viera when the female are incomplete?" a lot, it's not entirely wrong, but as a developer I can tell you that it's easier to revisit all the hats when you are already revisiting all the armors in game, it's a chance to add "adjust 50 hats for f and m viera" to a schedule that is already forcing the worker to do something similar, same happens with hairstyles, in this line of work a correct workflow can reduce the workload a lot.

While I can see your point here, and definitely think the idea of lessening the workload or at least making it easier for the devs is a bonus, I think we just need to know that we are being listened to. We've held on for 2 years with a promise that more hats and hairstyles were to come. But there's only so long you can hold on for without an update on how it's going.

I think cash shop items should be a must and a priority over regular obtained in game items in term of wearable head-gear for Viera and Hrothgar.

I would add seasonal items to this as they do eventually become cash shop items and I want to be able to put nice sunhats on my Viera.

[Yencat]

But would you miss it if it never existed?

I'm not sure if we're talking theoretically now, or going forward from here on out?

Obviously I wouldn't miss it if it never existed, but this is where we are now and I'm not particularly thrilled at the prospect of them having another reason or limitation for why it's not possible to do <insert thing here>.

Or if there was a different style that had the same pigtails on the sides of the head and a third ponytail in the middle from the between-the-ears section? Or even just one where the hair wrapped around the ears instead of through them?

If that makes more than 8 total hairstyles? Sounds good to me, they can add whatever they want.

I'll take anything at this point, I just don't want them to throw up an imagined roadblock for the sake of "realism" that complicates actually getting things done in a timely manner any more than it already has.

[Iscah]

I'm not sure if we're talking theoretically now, or going forward from here on out?

I'll take anything at this point, I just don't want them to throw up an imagined roadblock for the sake of "realism" that complicates actually getting things done in a timely manner any more than it already has.

Theoretically. The fact that, regardless of how many hairstyles they did or didn't add, the purely-for-Viera hairstyles should be shaped with Viera ears in mind.

And my point is, working around ears would NOT be a limitation on the number of styles, whatever the exact styles are. You would just get a different selection of designs in the first place. Not less. Not produced slower. Just different ideas at the planning stage.

Thus my argument that your saying "this style I use couldn't exist if they considered ear placement" is irrelevant to whether they could/should have or not. If from the start they had thought about the ears, the style you use would have never existed in its current form but there would be something else in its place that people would use instead.

And going from memory, I don't see any reason why most of the current Viera styles had to have a centre part at all. They could easily go backwards rather than sideways without much impact on the overall shape.

[tehneyrzomb]

But would you miss it if it never existed?

I'm not sure if we're talking theoretically now, or going forward from here on out?

Obviously I wouldn't miss it if it never existed, but this is where we are now and I'm not particularly thrilled at the prospect of them having another reason or limitation for why it's not possible to do <insert thing here>.

I mean we could even say theoretically none of us would miss Viera or Hrothgar if they never added them in the first place. SE didn't have to add them at all. There will always be people calling for xyz race to be added to the game because people can be unsatisfied with the current options. It's just what people do. But the fact remains that we were promised hats and hairstyles two years ago. That's a long time to be waiting for something. We can all talk about giving leeway to the devs because of the COVID situation but at a point, most people grow tired of not having the options we were promised. I think if there had been no promise, there'd be far fewer people complaining about the issue (there will always be a bunch that will complain). But it inevitably boils down to there are options other races have had since the beginning of their inception that Hrothgar and Viera are missing out on and seem to continue to miss out on.

[ItMe]

Theoretically. The fact that, regardless of how many hairstyles they did or didn't add, the purely-for-Viera hairstyles should be shaped with Viera ears in mind.

Considering how limited our options are when it comes to working with Viera and Hrothgar heads I feel like if they were gonna hit us with such limitations they should have gone whole hog and given us a race with an incredibly different head (like Baanga). At least then not being able to wear hats or unlockable hairs might make a bit more sense...

[Yencat]

Theoretically. The fact that, regardless of how many hairstyles they did or didn't add, they did not consider that the purely-for-Viera hairstyles should be shaped with Viera ears in mind.

And my point is, working around ears would NOT be a limitation on the number of styles, whatever the exact styles are. You would just get a different selection of designs in the first place. Not less. Not produced slower. Just different ideas at the planning stage.

Just going from memory, I don't see any reason why most of the current Viera styles had to have a centre part at all. They could easily go backwards rather than sideways without much impact on the overall shape.

Well in that case, sure. They could've gone that route and I wouldn't complain, and in hindsight it's a bit sloppy looking. I was mostly thinking they didn't care before and I'd really hate for them to start caring about it now to the point it impacts actual output. (which, lol what output at this point? But whatever.)

I'm just solidly on team 'give me more hairstyles, the faster the better', so if the fastest way is cutting holes in a few Modern Aesthetics that make some kind of sense and sticking the ears in? Go for it, do it.

I'm playing a race of fictional rabbit/hare people that supposedly stalk the jungle dressed in stilettos and lace, my disbelief is well and truly suspended beyond the point where whether or not the direction the hair goes is realistic or achievable would hugely bother me.

[Wolfman88]

One of the things that I would like to see addressed at some point is the Hrothgar claws/nails being tied to their starting gear. It should be changed so that we can toggle them on and off. At the very least, make the a permanent fixture on one of the clans.

The claws/nails are one of the things that makes the Hrothgar more beastly, and it would add it would further separate the race from the others the game has to offer.

[BunniEclair]

Well in that case, sure. They could've gone that route and I wouldn't complain, and in hindsight it's a bit sloppy looking. I was mostly thinking they didn't care before and I'd really hate for them to start caring about it now to the point it impacts actual output. (which, lol what output at this point? But whatever.)

I'm just solidly on team 'give me more hairstyles, the faster the better', so if the fastest way is cutting holes in a few Modern Aesthetics that make some kind of sense and sticking the ears in? Go for it, do it.

I'm playing a race of fictional rabbit/hare people that supposedly stalk the jungle dressed in stilettos and lace, my disbelief is well and truly suspended beyond the point where whether or not the direction the hair goes is realistic or achievable would hugely bother me.

Not to mention they already basically “cut holes” in modern aesthetic hair for miqo and nobody bats an eye. Seriously I have the 2B style for my miqo alt and it looks like someone sewed her ears onto it and that’s pretty common- there’s like a small circle of tufts around the ear that looks more like a seam than the way ears would naturally poke out.

I could care less if my ears clip through a braid or a headband.