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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    So what about the genocide caused by the sundering and the lives that are lost due to the unnatural nature of the mortal souls? No one seems to be addressing that in that the rejoinings would save more lives in the long run than the sundered would be claiming.
    “Unnatural” is so incredibly loaded, I will never agree with such a description of human life.

    And what right do the Ancients have to decide what lives are worth living? That’s not a decision for anyone to make for anyone else. Not to mention Emets own words on the topic, where he doesn’t even recognize the humanity and personhood of the sundered. I’m supposed to believe they’re doing that out of the kindness of their own hearts?

    Hell, even by their own definition of personhood they were more than happy to sacrifice untold innocent people to bring back their friends. Yet these are the ones to be trusted to with the power of gods?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Umbra View Post
    Well Ryne & WoL are no different to Mitron, we're also forcing Gaia to be the Gaia we know & the entire Eden plot is Ryne forcing herself on Gaia who wants nothing to do with her for like 70% of Eden story. Mitron is more a sad soul who just wanted his lover back. Also he was & wasn't taking her memories his goal was remove memories of us & give her back her original memories, basically we liked Amnesiac Gaia & wanted to keep her instead of given her memories back.

    I'd say Mitron wasn't perfect but no one was perfect in how either side dealt with Gaia in Eden.

    He tried to DESTROY her sense of self to allow her other memories dominance. He didn’t offer her choice like the WoL or Ryne did. At no point in the story did we ever dissuade her from making her own decisions. Mitron did. There’s no both sidesing it. He forcibly merged with her, had her attempt to destroy her memories of Ryne, and then fought to death to make sure he could have her. Gaia’s not the Ascian her soul was. She’s her own person with thoughts, feelings and ideas. No one but Mitron denied her that.

    She LITERALLY cheers you on as you fight to free her!

    GAIA: Now's your chance!
    RYNE: Gaia's still in there, fighting to free herself from Loghrif's will!
    GAIAPRIME: Even now, you would defy us!?
    We will remove every last vestige of your meaningless mortal existence!
    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    The thing is 90% of this isn’t proven. We don’t know if they could go back to that time or not, or if the rejoinings would work. There’s nothing really to lead us to believe it wouldn’t work that is. They empathize just how superior the unsundered/ancients are to the sundered multiple times and in various ways.
    And the game also takes effort to show that the sundered have and will surpass the unsundered in various ways, because like all living beings the sundered and unsundered are flawed and virtuous in their own ways.

    GAIAPRIME: That fragmented souls should triumph over their fears while we succumbed to ours, thereby setting our star upon a course of ruin...
    That inferior beings such as you should succeed while we failed! It defies all logic!
    RYNE: Compared to yours, our lives may seem insignificant.
    Nevertheless, we live them to the fullest! And though it may take us a thousand years, we have the potential to build a world every bit as wonderful as yours!
    But you won't even allow us a chance? To live our own lives and forge our own future?
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    Last edited by EaraGrace; 05-24-2021 at 02:34 PM.

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