Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Penthea]

The language used by pro-parsers in this thread is pretty much self-explanatory and self-evident. Calling people "clowns", "softies", "baddies" and the like for disagreeing, telling them to just "get over it" in regards to extreme verbal abuse (victim blaming much?). All arguments for parsers so far have yet to be articulated in a civil and constructive manner. And yet you wonder, with people like you being pro-parser, why the devs are against officially endorsing it?

As I have said many times before in threads like this, SE are never going to give us an in-game parser until the community can prove to them that it would be very rare for it to be used as a tool to needlessly insult someone. And looking at this thread it is clear the community still hasn't reached that level of behaviour. I don't think it ever will.

We don't have an in-game parser, most players don't even use a parser, and still in the forums we very frequently see people being incredibly rude towards those they think are below them. Imagine what it would be like if every player had access to them. Well I don't need to imagine because I have seen it and it's not pretty. One of the things that drove me to leave WoW is how unnecessarily hostile people can be towards one another regarding performance. And I wasn't even the target of the hostility because I am a good player. Just watching it was enough for me to get sick of it. Seeing how well behaved the FFXIV community is by comparison is one the major reasons why I dropped WoW in favour of this game.

Also parsers won't magically improve the average skill of the playerbase. I played WoW for a very long time and I met loads of terrible players, some of them even used parsers! If someone doesn't want to or is unable to play better a parser isn't going to change that. Those who want to improve always eventually do. I have seen in this game players without parsers improve their performance solely on the drive to become better. They used only the tools the game gave them to improve.

And frankly it's clear from some of the comments here that some people want an in-game parser so that they can be free to say the words they say here about the general playerbase directly to players they encounter in instances. It's because of players like them that SE absolutely refuse to give us an in-game parser. But these people won't change because they think they're justified in tossing out insults. So we will never get a parser.

[Dzian]

You measure it against a high parse. Compare your xiva to the xiva result for a top SAM. Remember xiva isn't about dps.

Let's say for example you had 85% uptime, missed 3 CD's and 4 rotational errors, but a 95+ percentile had 99% uptime, only missed 1 CD and no rotational errors, then you know you have room to improve and exactly what you need to work on. In particular Uptime is extremely important for dps.

However, if your xivanalysis result looked similar to the result of a 95%+ log, then you know it's purely a gear issue. For a 513 it sounds like you're doing decent.
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Interesting. seesm like i'll have to take a deeper look into it.the quick comparison i did looked pretty similar. they had just over 2% more uptime than me and an improved higabana uptime. mine can drop off if i mis time the phase transitions or jumps. they seemed like the biggest differences. it did also flag i missed a coupe of kaiten somewhere but that might be latency or something. ive noticed a small delay when jumping across platforms where your buttons dont always register. but if thats as big as the differences get then i must be doing pretty well.

however it still indicates a 39th percentile on logs which i would still consider to be an innacurate representation of my skill.a lot of people would look at that and be very quickto pass a negative judgement.

[SturmChurro]

If your gear is horrifically out of date, specifically your weapon (like me). Doesn't really matter how good you do on those.

[Caurcas]

People often times fear what they do not understand. This is one such instance.

[Sighearth]

I agree that the status quo will not change (if ever). I just can't understand why ppl think suddenly the abuse would sky rocket? You can be held accountable for being bad now, ppl can and will abuse you now if they want. Why with a official parser a whole demographic would appear thinking (haha now I can officially abuse people). What make ppl "available" to abuse is having the information and the information is available to the abusers now. The only difference is that info will also be available to people who normally wouldn't have access to it (hence ppl who dont parse). So I guess ppl who dont parse can "abuse" themselves now, would be the new thing.

[Liam_Harper]

however it still indicates a 39th percentile on logs which i would still consider to be an innacurate representation of my skill.a lot of people would look at that and be very quickto pass a negative judgement.

Anyone who judges an EX log based on a quick glance at dps isn't worth listening to. You're right indeed that the standalone 39th percentile number is a poor representation of ability, but the additional analysis tools a parse enables are a great way to evaluate personal performance (which is the best use for logs). For Diamond EX, make sure you try to jump just as you start your GCD to minimize uptime loss. Kaiten and Higan uptime can easily be polished, but sounds like you're going well.

[Sighearth]

what a parser will actually do: casual will get hate from anyone who take the game deadly serious even if it is in satasha. The end content player, hardcore player,elite player will print the parser and have a nice time later in night.

And tbh, a parser does not help ppl dodgeing stuff and thats were ppl lose a lot of dps!

Who, no matter how good they are would make fun of a newbie in low level content lol. Either way, they can do that now, they dont do that now bc they dont want to get reported. With official parser, guess what they gonna do? They wont do it because they dont want to get reported...

[Sighearth]

As I have said many times before in threads like this, SE are never going to give us an in-game parser until the community can prove to them that it would be very rare for it to be used as a tool to needlessly insult someone. And looking at this thread it is clear the community still hasn't reached that level of behaviour. I don't think it ever will.

We don't have an in-game parser, most players don't even use a parser, and still in the forums we very frequently see people being incredibly rude towards those they think are below them. Imagine what it would be like if every player had access to them. Well I don't need to imagine because I have seen it and it's not pretty. One of the things that drove me to leave WoW is how unnecessarily hostile people can be towards one another regarding performance. And I wasn't even the target of the hostility because I am a good player. Just watching it was enough for me to get sick of it. Seeing how well behaved the FFXIV community is by comparison is one the major reasons why I dropped WoW in favour of this game.

Also parsers won't magically improve the average skill of the playerbase. I played WoW for a very long time and I met loads of terrible players, some of them even used parsers! If someone doesn't want to or is unable to play better a parser isn't going to change that. Those who want to improve always eventually do. I have seen in this game players without parsers improve their performance solely on the drive to become better. They used only the tools the game gave them to improve.

And frankly it's clear from some of the comments here that some people want an in-game parser so that they can be free to say the words they say here about the general playerbase directly to players they encounter in instances. It's because of players like them that SE absolutely refuse to give us an in-game parser. But these people won't change because they think they're justified in tossing out insults. So we will never get a parser.

Insults are never justified, and how come having a in-game parser makes you free to say the words you want? You said: " so that they can be free to say the words they say here about the general playerbase directly to players they encounter in instances." not a single person here said anything that couldnt be said in an instance? If you say something general like "the player base is bad" which is general and then specify to a single individual "You are bad" then obviously you are crossing the line and that person you are adressing can report you if they feel offended. This is true now and would not change with in-game parse.

[ForteNightshade]

As I have said many times before in threads like this, SE are never going to give us an in-game parser until the community can prove to them that it would be very rare for it to be used as a tool to needlessly insult someone. And looking at this thread it is clear the community still hasn't reached that level of behaviour. I don't think it ever will.

Correction: They will never implement a parser because it will potentially impact their bottom line. Their biggest concern is player exclusion. Yoshida has outright stated he wants better players to "pick up the slack for inexperienced ones". Even used in the most polite scenario, you'll inevitably see people put restrictions based around higher DPS requirements. They already do now and we're limited to ilvl. Furthermore, people in this game don't exactly have a thick skin. I'm not talking about wanton harassment such as cursing someone out or demanding they uninstall but merely pointing out their damage is quite low will likely tilt more than a few. Even with complete silence, a public parse will steer people away out of a perceived fear they're not good enough. Ignorance is bliss after all. It's easier to insist you're top DPS when there isn't a program telling you otherwise.

It simply isn't a gain for SE even under the best circumstances. What's ironic is despite that, their entire raid scene remains dependent on ACT and FFlogs because if either were ever banned, the whole things falls apart. Which is why they'll never enforce their own ToS. Hell, even mods fall into that category just due to how many people have them.

Ultimately, just like everything else. It all comes down to profit.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

As I have said many times before in threads like this, SE are never going to give us an in-game parser until the community can prove to them that it would be very rare for it to be used as a tool to needlessly insult someone. And looking at this thread it is clear the community still hasn't reached that level of behaviour. I don't think it ever will.

We don't have an in-game parser, most players don't even use a parser, and still in the forums we very frequently see people being incredibly rude towards those they think are below them. Imagine what it would be like if every player had access to them. Well I don't need to imagine because I have seen it and it's not pretty. One of the things that drove me to leave WoW is how unnecessarily hostile people can be towards one another regarding performance. And I wasn't even the target of the hostility because I am a good player. Just watching it was enough for me to get sick of it. Seeing how well behaved the FFXIV community is by comparison is one the major reasons why I dropped WoW in favour of this game.

Also parsers won't magically improve the average skill of the playerbase. I played WoW for a very long time and I met loads of terrible players, some of them even used parsers! If someone doesn't want to or is unable to play better a parser isn't going to change that. Those who want to improve always eventually do. I have seen in this game players without parsers improve their performance solely on the drive to become better. They used only the tools the game gave them to improve.

And frankly it's clear from some of the comments here that some people want an in-game parser so that they can be free to say the words they say here about the general playerbase directly to players they encounter in instances. It's because of players like them that SE absolutely refuse to give us an in-game parser. But these people won't change because they think they're justified in tossing out insults. So we will never get a parser.

I do agree that an in-game parser isn't needed. Statics and random groups in higher tier content can just use what the internet has so kindly provided. And a simple search of a name - your name, for example - shows just what kind of player you are.

The underlying system we have now is satisfactory.