Parsers add replayability for casual players

[SturmChurro]

More than two, Sturm...you'd be surprised.

Alright.. alright.. I'll concede. There might be three or so good mentors. At MOST three and a half, because the last one is a lalafell.

[Sighearth]

And that mentality is one of the major reasons parsers will never be allowed.

Thats unfortunate but also true. YoshiP will always try to do what pleases the most people (rightfully doing so) if most ppl cant bear to know they are a burden (and rage or unsub) its better to have them blind . If people want to (officially) seek the truth about their performance, let them do it. If someone abuse you for it just report them,as abuses already happens for a dozen other reasons. I don't get it how that would be any different than today? If you are a bad player, ppl that care already know that. If they dont call you now fearing a report, with official parse they still wont call you out fearing a report. The only variable that changes is that you will also be aware that you are a bad player and we can't make ppl sad can we?

[Sonatia]

The language used by pro-parsers in this thread is pretty much self-explanatory and self-evident. Calling people "clowns", "softies", "baddies" and the like for disagreeing, telling them to just "get over it" in regards to extreme verbal abuse (victim blaming much?). All arguments for parsers so far have yet to be articulated in a civil and constructive manner. And yet you wonder, with people like you being pro-parser, why the devs are against officially endorsing it?

I don't even know why you lot didn't just stick to wow. It's not as pretty/not "anime-ish" enough for you, I suppose? But then you insist on bringing old attitudes from there, to FFXIV. I guess old habits die hard.

Also, read up on the "Koike Incident".

[ZedxKayn]

The language used by pro-parsers in this thread is pretty much self-explanatory and self-evident. Calling people "clowns", "softies", "baddies" and the like for disagreeing, telling them to just "get over it" in regards to extreme verbal abuse (victim blaming much?). All arguments for parsers so far have yet to be articulated in a civil and constructive manner. And yet you wonder, with people like you being pro-parser, why the devs are against officially endorsing it?

I don't even know why you lot didn't just stick to wow. It's not as pretty/not "anime-ish" enough for you, I suppose? But then you insist on bringing old attitudes from there, to FFXIV. I guess old habits die hard.

Also, read up on the "Koike Incident".

You know damn well arguments for parsers have been stated in a constructive way in this thread, and arguments against have also been voiced in a derogatory manner as well, both sides of the arguments can do both.

I'm pro-parser and pro-not letting people get carried but never touched WoW of my life, it's almost like doing all of the work in a team setting isn't something people enjoy. But tell me about how the 0 dps curebot is a poor victim when he's being called out for not even doing something that is taught in the tutorial and that bots can do.

[Wolwosh]

Usually the people that are really against parsers in 14 are the people that are getting carried everywhere ^^"
I'm not sure though if it should get added though, just look at examples like the mentor system...
Pretty sure if you do a decent green parse some people would still consider you getting carried.

[Wavaryen]

While I can understand wanting to improve and better yourself with tools that can help you do that. If it became the normal, than players will weaponize it openly and it will add more stress to players who don't want to min/max play. The developers very much understand that community matters in a mmorpg. As someone who seen first hand at how badly things have got over the many many years playing mmorpgs. I really think players know a little too much info, and that has become the normal.


I'm all for wanting to get better, but part of the mystery and joy of getting better was when we did not have the numbers and tools to make that so easy. I feel these tools, just take away from the rpg element. Better gear only matters to bring up a said number. It also brings out the worse in people when it comes to the competitive nature. We all seen this if played other mmorpgs. Asking for nerfs, buffs, or heck even in this one. If one class is not pulling numbers we like, the community will not invite said class.


It is like the Wizard of Oz. Shocked and amazed at the gaint talking head, but looking behind the curtain and understanding the truth killed all the magic.

[MilkieTea]

The language used by pro-parsers in this thread is pretty much self-explanatory and self-evident. Calling people "clowns", "softies", "baddies" and the like for disagreeing, telling them to just "get over it" in regards to extreme verbal abuse (victim blaming much?). All arguments for parsers so far have yet to be articulated in a civil and constructive manner. And yet you wonder, with people like you being pro-parser, why the devs are against officially endorsing it?

I don't even know why you lot didn't just stick to wow. It's not as pretty/not "anime-ish" enough for you, I suppose? But then you insist on bringing old attitudes from there, to FFXIV. I guess old habits die hard.

Also, read up on the "Koike Incident".

I’m pro parser! I think they can be used for more than just berating others. Parsers can be used to give yourself a gauge on how well youre doing, if you need to pick up or tighten up your rotation in some places, or if youre with a group of friends and you all want to clear content and need to know what your numbers are. There are more uses, sure, but Im starting to be a bit too specific, and Im not admitting to any TOS violations. These are all hypotheticals!

Do I think they should be officially sanctioned ingame? Nah. But thats because there unfortunately is a subset of people that take parses in normal content, or PUGs, or what have you, and use it to berate and harass players.

[Deceptus]

The language used by pro-parsers in this thread is pretty much self-explanatory and self-evident. Calling people "clowns", "softies", "baddies" and the like for disagreeing, telling them to just "get over it" in regards to extreme verbal abuse (victim blaming much?). All arguments for parsers so far have yet to be articulated in a civil and constructive manner. And yet you wonder, with people like you being pro-parser, why the devs are against officially endorsing it?

Also, read up on the "Koike Incident".

And that has absolutely nothing to do with a personal parser. Nothing.

[Puremallace]

IF Square Enix EVER EVER listened to this guy and made parses widely available I would quit tomorrow along with 3/4 of the rest of the community. For some reason you guys think this is our first MMO or something. I have been playing these things longer then some of you have been alive.

Every single MMO that has widely accepted parses has had a toxic community. Every single one. The only places we know they are all used is in Ultimate content where DPS checks matter in a big way. Outside of that it is pure toxicity because casuals start to use them to hate on other casuals and start excluding jobs for 0.0001% difference in dps output.

I trust some elite prick to understand that minor difference does not matter unless on bleeding edge content but give a casual a dps meter and they will destroy an MMO. Once those casuals start getting excluded from content or called pieces of crap they come to the forums and start screaming for buffs or unsubbing then when the developer caves the next job wants a buff as they are now 0.00001% bad and when they do not get it those people are now excluded so they unsub.

Swear to god I cannot put into words how many times I have seen this viscous cycle play out.

[Liam_Harper]

Edit. Checked xiv analysis but again that doesnt give you anything to measure against. though it point out a couple of rotational balls ups (something to consider at least) but it still doesnt give you a point of reference in terms of how you measure up against a potential.. so agian i could be doing 70% of my potential for my current ilevel or 95% you just don't know.

You measure it against a high parse. Compare your xiva to the xiva result for a top SAM. Remember xiva isn't about dps.

Let's say for example you had 85% uptime, missed 3 CD's and 4 rotational errors, but a 95+ percentile had 99% uptime, only missed 1 CD and no rotational errors, then you know you have room to improve and exactly what you need to work on. In particular Uptime is extremely important for dps.

However, if your xivanalysis result looked similar to the result of a 95%+ log, then you know it's purely a gear issue. For a 513 it sounds like you're doing decent.

The language used by pro-parsers in this thread is pretty much self-explanatory and self-evident. Calling people "clowns", "softies", "baddies" and the like for disagreeing, telling them to just "get over it" in regards to extreme verbal abuse (victim blaming much?).

Those few examples do not represent pro-parsers as a whole, but fair point, there's no need for name calling over disagreement on either side. It doesn't help anyone's case.

I trust some elite prick to understand

Speaking of name calling...