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  1. #981
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    Honestly the same can be said for basically all content in the game.. even on the simplest level. If you took tombstones away from the roulettes no one would ever do them.. so its safe to say players are only doing them because tomes are put behind them..

    Can you imagine the queue times newer players would face if they took the tomes away

    Thing is players really don't expect that much. Noone will ever sigh or frown upon you if you queue into your dungeon roulette and don't pop food or pots on boss fights or anything extreme like that. But having a basic understanding of your job really isn't a big ask..

    DR is a bit different because the lost actions and essences make a substantial difference and can literally cut the time the duty takes in half And there's literally no reason not to use any. Using them only makes it easier less mechanics to deal with, less chance of getting doomed and killed, less mettle lost... there's literally no reason at all to not use any essences.
    That's exactly why we have roulettes. They're not there for us vets. Why bother with a system like that when we could get daily missions instead? It's the one guaranteed way they can keep the instances populated.

    And as I mentioned to the other poster about DR, you'd need to go out and engage with Bozja a lot more than some might want to to get those essences. I remember when DR first came out and there were threads where people were like "Why aren't they farming essences??" and others were like "Because I don't want to stay in this zone any longer than I have to".
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  2. #982
    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Rinh Neftereh
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    Excalibur
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    But wouldn't they only have those if they engaged with Bozja enough to get out and farm the ones needed? If someone isn't interested in doing that, and is only doing DR because their relic is locked behind it, then they may not know/have those essences because they don't want to engage with a piece of optional content to that level.
    considering you have to be at least rank 10 and have done CLL once to get access to DR? yes, I assume someone engaged long enough to at least get some essences
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  3. #983
    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Father Gascoigne
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    considering you have to be at least rank 10 and have done CLL once to get access to DR? yes, I assume someone engaged long enough to at least get some essences
    Some Essences, sure, but not enough for the 15+ runs you'll need for the relic. I don't really use anything in DR beyond lost cures to attempt to make up for the complete lack of healing I receive.
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  4. #984
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Some Essences, sure, but not enough for the 15+ runs you'll need for the relic. I don't really use anything in DR beyond lost cures to attempt to make up for the complete lack of healing I receive.
    If lost cure is what you're using as a warrior, you're doing it VERY wrong. You should be using Martialist (+60% damage) at a minimum and your healing via Nascent Flash, Equilibrium, and Storm's path should be more than enough to keep you healed.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  5. #985
    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Father Gascoigne
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    If lost cure is what you're using as a warrior, you're doing it VERY wrong. You should be using Martialist (+60% damage) at a minimum and your healing via Nascent Flash, Equilibrium, and Storm's path should be more than enough to keep you healed.
    Actually running DR as a Ninja, and yea I'm pretty much only using Lost Cures to keep myself and occasionally others alive when no one else is healing. I'm not really a fan of the barrage of gimmick actions I'd have to sort through, and I don't have enough of the good ones to use them every single DR anyways. I'm 100% in it for the relic and only the relic.
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    Last edited by Goji1639; 05-24-2021 at 03:47 AM.

  6. #986
    Player Caurcas's Avatar
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    Caur Kagon
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    Siren
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    The only way to run DR is to run it on DRK with irregular essence combo'd with at least a lost font of power for burst windows.
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  7. #987
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    LittleImp's Avatar
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    Lil Imp
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Some Essences, sure, but not enough for the 15+ runs you'll need for the relic. I don't really use anything in DR beyond lost cures to attempt to make up for the complete lack of healing I receive.
    You can get 100+ of the tank/healer damage essences in like an hour by just running back and forth hitting the mobs directly outside of the spawn hub in bozja. Getting 15 to cover your DR runs is trivial and would take less than 15 minutes.

    If you are unwilling to do that to do 60-72% more DPS and help a DR run go significantly faster, you're a leech.
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  8. #988
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    Actually running DR as a Ninja, and yea I'm pretty much only using Lost Cures to keep myself and occasionally others alive when no one else is healing. I'm not really a fan of the barrage of gimmick actions I'd have to sort through, and I don't have enough of the good ones to use them every single DR anyways. I'm 100% in it for the relic and only the relic.
    It is easy to get essences, and I get you are just for the relic but your reason for being is moot. You be willing to do the bare min of just running around to get essences to speed up the process for everyone including yourself.
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  9. #989
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    ReynTime's Avatar
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    Princess Walk
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    "I'm only doing it for the relic". I mean no shit? That's the entire point of why DR was made.

    I hate using the DF and I'm only doing it for the rewards... doesn't mean I'll refuse to even try making use of my job's kit. Because I know if I half-heart it on purpose I'm wasting these strangers' time. Just like I try to respect other people's time in real life.

    Courtesy and effort applies to everything in life. Doesn't mater if it's "just a game". And when it comes with playing with random 3~7 strangers you're a lot more likely to make things unfun for them by "freestyling" or freeloading than by doing the best you can.
    You don't have to play like "pro" and you don't have to be called out in-duty. But if that's not the attitude you pull outside of the game, you shouldn't be expecting people to be OK with you pulling it in an online game. It's also a community.
    And as a game, if you're not finding it fun to play with the system's bare basics, you shouldn't be doing it at all. There are other kinds of contents in this that do not involve dragging people down in lv80 instances. If only SE didn't lock content completely IRRELEVANT to the pve experience behind progressing in the MSQ, I'm sure this problem would be at the very least reduced a bit.

    The attitude that you're entitled to every reward, even if it's for doing content you clearly do not enjoy, is pretty freaking rude too.
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    Last edited by ReynTime; 05-24-2021 at 07:50 AM.

  10. #990
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    Krotoan's Avatar
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Sargatanas
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    You can get 100+ of the tank/healer damage essences in like an hour by just running back and forth hitting the mobs directly outside of the spawn hub in bozja. Getting 15 to cover your DR runs is trivial and would take less than 15 minutes.

    If you are unwilling to do that to do 60-72% more DPS and help a DR run go significantly faster, you're a leech.
    Considering over the course of rank 1-15 I got maybe 3-7 of the "good" essences I needed to stay alive or do extra damage I'm wondering where you're getting all these consistent drops.

    It's RNG to get, RNG to "appraise" and you're also expecting hours of grinding ON TOP of the mindless grind to get to 15 and get the weapons or else I'm a "leech"?



    Gee.. why do so many people hate Bozja? I wonder.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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