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    I imagine that, with the male models now completed, they could easily add a transgender Viera or two to an existing settlement. It may have already been established that nobody has ever seen a male Viera, but that would still be true if they met an AMAB Viera. It would be a very easy retcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YianKutku View Post
    Except all Viera are eventually divided into warders and villagers, not due to skill or aptitude, but due to biological gender. This means it is gender essentialism, and an arbitrary one.
    They are divided by gender as adults, but that doesn't apply as children. He's talking about how they think and are treated as children.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    I imagine that, with the male models now completed, they could easily add a transgender Viera or two to an existing settlement. It may have already been established that nobody has ever seen a male Viera, but that would still be true if they met an AMAB Viera. It would be a very easy retcon.
    That depends entirely how the culture treats it - and I can't see them even having such a concept as transgender. You developed that body shape, you're a warder whether you like it or not, and there's no such thing as disagreeing with the role that fate has decreed for you.

    I think we could easily find them outside of the tribe, but even then their whole understanding of gender is going to be different, especially if they're all treated as female until they "become" male. (It seems likely they all use female pronouns, at least.) In that case it would be more about refusing to acknowledge that physical change and continuing to adhere to the gender they've had from birth.
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    Fully aware you're speaking academically, but you've basically looped back around into gender essentialism, whether you meant to or not. What is gender but the notion that one's assigned sexual characteristics are intrinsically tied to one's personality and role in society?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Fully aware you're speaking academically, but you've basically looped back around into gender essentialism, whether you meant to or not. What is gender but the notion that one's assigned sexual characteristics are intrinsically tied to one's personality and role in society?
    It's the state of Viera society as adults but not as children, because they can't be assigned a gender as children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    I imagine that, with the male models now completed, they could easily add a transgender Viera or two to an existing settlement. It may have already been established that nobody has ever seen a male Viera, but that would still be true if they met an AMAB Viera. It would be a very easy retcon.
    I'd be overjoyed to see this, yeah. It would be amazing and awesome and all sorts of superlative descriptors.

    And it would also help with my confusion about Matsuno's answer, implying that he couldn't be specific and direct because he didn't want to spoil.
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