Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Shibi]

As was said by a very wise person earlier in the thread, parses don't matter in normal content. Those who wish, can secretly run them for self improvement and to get some fun from it and see if they can top the dps, which if one has the self control not to rage at people, can be enjoyable as a personal contest kept to oneself.

And that self control is what it comes down to.

An indicator would be nice. Something that shows the metric for the said player, alone. No need to see other's performance unless somebody ask another directly. Maybe add an option to hide or show performance result in the setting too, in case players really don't want to see how they're actually performing for whatever reason.

It seems like a reasonable thought, but players do go to Youtube, twitch and so on to look at walkthroughs, to look at vlogs. How do we deal with vloggers pointing at their personal performance screens and saying "If you aren't here, you're a scrub, delete your character and uninstall".

FFXIV seems to be a very successful game. A lot of people who haven't done MMOs before still flock here, the new upcoming OCE datacentre should be taken as proof that the game is highy viable, and highly popular - for a sub game, too.

Adding in gold stars, and the potential pressure of needing to reach that bar through unexpected channels like youtube, twitch, might not be ideal.

I think I stick with the views of that very wise and knowledgable person earlier, keep it just as it is, it's working. Those who need parsers, and they are something for Savage, can use them slyly fight-club-silence style. And those that abuse the capability by rubbing other's noses in them, can keep getting jailed.

[Kyrj]

It's all mute the director doesn't want them.

He doesn't want them but will allow us to use them as long as we dont bash others. He knows that top end and most/some middle FCs use them and that SSS is a terrible way to gauge your effectiveness but he would never openly say that. It's a good strat I guess, don't condemn the people who do and appease the people who don't, never really taking a stand on the issue.

[Dzian]

An indicator would be nice. Something that shows the metric for the said player,.

I'm all for a metric but the issue is the metric many people want is actually useless..

Like a personal dps meter for example is a useless tool.

Why. Because while such a tool may indicate you are improving it cannot indicate where you are in terms of potential or where you should be..

To give an example. I use act mainly for curiosity and testing if this is better than that but I don't use it as a comparison tool because it doesn't work as such.

There are a couple of diamond weapon parses uploaded to fflogs for example that indicate my samurai is in the 39th percentile. But thats meaningless as well.

My samurai at that time was i513 with an I515 weapon.. this then doesn't mean 61% of samurai are better than me. Or anytbing like that. All it likely means is many of them have far better gear..

I might do the perfect rotation with the perfect uptime. But I'm never going to rack up the 80th or even 90th percentiles when my ilevel is much lower. So this then means that a parse where I did really well .had high uptime played my job optimally looks terrible because lol 39th percentile.

That exact same run might have been 90th percentile if my I level was higher. But the data doesn't show that information and people just assume everyone is full bi's on every job so the judgements they make are inaccurate.

If people want a metric that can actually be useful to them what they need really is a metric of say potency per second not damage per second. As this would scale much better and be much more usefull and comparable. It also provides a clearer indication of a theoretical potential because its a metric that doesn't really change much with gear. Shinten is 320 potency for example regardless of whether your using I300 or I530bis.

People need to understand what the information actually means before there's any chance of it being officially supported and shown to us.

And the problem is people just see a number and male a judgement without any understanding of what it means. The tools are fine its the way people use them that is the problem because most don't know what the information actually tells them. Nor do they understand that numbers without an accurate and comparable eference are meaningless...

You cant just go on fflogs for example and compare yourself to a random player that's the same job as you. If you don't know what gearbthey have or there ilevel or melds or anything then any comparison is useless.

You might be 1000 dps behind him and think you need to improve. But he might be 10 orn15nilevels ahead of you min which case your performing much better than he is..

[xxmiamorecadenza]

policy need to be changed so the tos violators can be found and banned losing the 1 % would be no big loss they always seem to insist on making whatever game they are playing toxic anyway good riddance to garbage

Is this one of those ‘toxic casuals’ who view raiders as low tier humans or something?

[Caurcas]

Something has to change, or the divide between the tribes will continue to deepen as job skillfloors lower and no interesting mechanics fill the void. As of right now the only thing keeping gameplay interesting on tanking and healing roles is pushing optimization, and more than likely they are going to get worse come EW. So we will have one tribe content to enjoy their game off the backs of others all the while treating those players like jackals waiting to tear them apart for a single misstep. The other tribe viewing these players as social parasites that are only being sheltered by an overzealous ToS. A in game feedback system, such as a parser would do wonders to breakdown this divide.

[Equitable_Remedy]

A grading system only you can see would go a long way.

How would I swag on other players, tho?

[Awha]

How would I swag on other players, tho?

Get a PC and just use ACT. :P

[Kirajah]

I come from WoW, the number of times I see something on the lines of "LF (insert class here), 350k DPS minimum!" for something that only 250k could EASILY clear for is astronomical. It's on the same vein as ilvl 400 minimum for ilvl 350 content. Parsers breed elitism within the game's community.

[WoW]

I agree with this. Furthermore, I would suggest making it visible to the whole party. Why? Because it would spur rivalry and competition between party members. As a tank I want to beat the other tank into the ground, same for when I heal or dps. I hope my fellow party members feel the same. Promoting this mindset would improve player skill tenfold and make the community healthier as honesty would be allowed to flourish instead of barely held back distain of our current ways.

I had the exact same idea as well! I'm reading this as if I've written it myself!

I come from WoW, the number of times I see something on the lines of "LF (insert class here), 350k DPS minimum!" for something that only 250k could EASILY clear for is astronomical. It's on the same vein as ilvl 400 minimum for ilvl 350 content. Parsers breed elitism within the game's community.

So? ilvl restriction already is doing something similar but still can't protect you from the baddies. And that's where the "magic software" comes into play. So if you're bad, you're gonna get kicked out anyways. At least with this suggestion, you won't suffer the humiliation of being kicked after you waste everyone's' time.

[Clicked]

All it needs is something like this at the end of every boss, but personal and not for the group.

Target kill time, personal damage, mechanics missed etc.

This would be just as good if not better. But even more unrealistic probably.