[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Roda]

Why do you list hrothgar as a human option and list lalafel as popoto?

On the tall side the options are extremely stereotyped (you hate the idea of female Viera being stereotyped as shorter than the males) yet you like the idea of tall males being stereotyped as orc, lizard with scales/horns, animal, and lanky/giraffe elf? That's a double standard.

As for Highlander, many here pointed out the fact that Highlander is the average height, not midlander, mindlander is in fact a short option in FFXIV. I don't know why you keep bringing up real life as if people like Au ra, Lalafel, or hrothgar exist in real life.

Because Lalafell are an obvious outlier when it comes to player race heights. Hrothgar fit very neatly into the spectrum of this discussed topic of height.

How is "lizard with scales/horns" a stereotype but "bunny with fuzzy ears" not? (neither is a stereotype but like wut?)

and read again what I said here for the highlander comment:

The two hyur clans should set the middle point for the racial scale spectrum (as humans are typically portrayed as the average options of different extremes and tropes) but right now they're pushed way farther to one side because of the abundance of so many different options of tall male characters.

You only consider midlanders short because, (gasp!) there's so few options for short male characters. If hyur are supposed to represent the baseline average (as, ONCE AGAIN, is usually the purpose of human races in fantasies) and you want a short option that's fantastical, you're either a catboy, or a baby with a mustache. (and when in that quote did I mention real life? once again, try to not get hung up on words that aren't there.)

And like I've said, you were given 4 (and a half) chances out of seven to find something you like in tall races, but you keep nitpicking them so hard you'd resort to wanting to skew the design of a whole (yes whole, because it affects the females too) different race that you STILL don't even 100% like the design of even outside of the height, so really I don't think it's worth it to chase this Goldilocks perfection of yours.

I agree with you that scaling a character up and down isn't going to affect how armour fits (or we might not have a height setting at all) but setting the character's height range is going to be far more integral to the design process than "surface details" like scars and tattoos.

Height needs to be decided so the character's proportions can be set. They can't just set out designing the character at whatever shape they like and hope that later on they'll look alright when placed next to the other races.

At your example height scale, Viera already look wrong next to Elezen - or rather all the things that people think are wrong about Elezen designs look twice as wrong, where currently they get away with it because they are taller stretched-out versions of humans.

It's maybe possible as the meeting point between very tall Viera and short Elezen, as it is now for Highlanders and Elezen, but not to make them the same height range AND have Viera maxing out as the taller of the two.

When you started off saying they have a short option now and they should also be tall, I thought you'd assumed they were something short like Miqo'te in the form we'd seen. But if you were in fact interpreting them to be Elezen height and needing to be taller still? Yeah, nah. Something around the female height range is far more plausible. And still entirely the dev team's business.

Ok so I don't wanna get anyone's hopes up (ordownifyouhavebadtaste) BUT I've been fooling around in krita to measure based on head size (usually that's the better determination of height in these things. The races all seem to be around the sameish headsizes, (yes even lalas and roes) give or take some variations), and 1, an elezen-sized male viera makes him look like some kind of freakish bobblehead, and seeing it even TALLER than a min-sized elezen is even more cartoonish with his head twice the size that it should be in this game. AND 2, putting his head to the scale of everyone else, he sits at around just taller than min-sized miqo'te to about at 50 of a midlander's height slider, which, imo, would be so freaking cool!