[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[LisSquid]

1. There is no insult; if you play a female Miqo'te and that's pointed out, that's a statement. Your preference is short and cute.
2. I was heavily involved/read every post of the (female) Viera thread from 2015-2019, I can tell you clearly that the majority there were female players, and those that played male would express how they would explicitly make their main character a female Viera. The dynamic is very different from what I've seen in this thread and in the male Viera thread. The caveat is that sure, they can express how they feel, no one said they couldn't, we're just making the observation.

You literally implied people who wanted short male viera were fetishy sex weirdos a few pages back.

[Amnmaat]

Are you serious? You just can’t make a post without insulting someone? You know what a lot of players like me advocated and supported the inclusion of male viera so you and others would have them.

1. I never interacted with you in the Male Viera request thread
2. Your support for male Viera didn't hinge on allowing me to play it, I'm sure you wanted other people to play them as well
3. No one's insulting you, please stop that

You literally implied people who wanted short male viera were fetishy sex weirdos a few pages back.

1. Incorrect, I was agreeing with the person I quoted with the statement he made
2. Find in my post where I said "fetish sex weirdos." Do not project / lie.

[Gwenorai]

You literally implied people who wanted short male viera were fetishy sex weirdos a few pages back.

Tbf those people do exist, but that's with every race. Meh. The massive twitter post that was circulating was something about mViera being dominated by toll ladies, and the demand for shota... Just the average game community being overly thirsty.

It's inconsequential because it's to be honestly expected that there's going to be people like that. And this isn't implying people in this thread are some sort of thirsty demons, lmao.

[SturmChurro]

Can we actually just be real here? Many of the arguments I have seen surrounding this topic, like what sounds like "equal representation" among races, or whatever is coming off as very disingenuous to me - not saying anyone here is being so. When similar arguments were made in the male viera thread over why male viera should be small to compensate for the lack of short male player races, these users were shot down - harshly, I might add. What I think some actually just want is simply a replacement for male elezen, as many are unhappy with them, and it's okay to feel that way!

Viera is their own race, and that's a good thing. They shouldn't be made to fill in some arbitrary slot in player race distribution. Hrothgar are already filling a similar role, as our beast race. Anyway, let's not kid ourselves, if male viera had a very wide range in their height slider, many players would not be happy. As has already been discussed, the distribution of player races and their height among the playerbase. Male viera with a drastically short option via the slider would probably become a majority 'short' race by that logic, as that would probably be the preferred height. Eradicating any semblance of "tall player race representation" among the playerbase.

[Renik]

Male hyur is average. I am not arguing from RL, though RL height would have a general bearing. Hyur midlander is what everything in the game is divergent from; they are the base, this is why they are the 'average'. That they are also average in height, only cements this.

For example, Au Ra, Roe are extremes. In both height and build. Therefore, they shouldn't be used as a basis. Elezen are tall-very tall. Lalafell would be an extreme on the short end.

The argument that seems to be being made in this thread, is over equal representation of races. Again, that argument falls flat, If we want to take in account the distribution of of every player race, short males are the ones who are actually underrepresented in this game.

No, you still don't get it, you think that hyur is average height because you see it as the base, because it is what you know, but that's not how average works, this game have several races and the average in height are the ones that fall in the middle, that would be highlander and maybe elezen.

On the other hand, they are not being underrepresented they may be less short races from your perspective of what an average is, but they are by far played more than the taller ones.

[Amnmaat]

Can we actually just be real here? Many of the arguments I have seen surrounding this topic, like what sounds like "equal representation" among races, or whatever is coming off as very disingenuous to me - not saying anyone here is being so. When similar arguments were made in the male viera thread over why male viera should be small to compensate for the lack of short male player races, these users were shot down - harshly, I might add. What I think some actually just want is simply a replacement for male elezen, as many are unhappy with them, and it's okay to feel that way!

Viera is their own race, and that's a good thing. They shouldn't be made to fill in some arbitrary slot in player race distribution. Hrothgar are already filling a similar role, as our beast race. Anyway, let's not kid ourselves, if male viera had a very wide range in their height slider, many players would not be happy. As has already been discussed, the distribution of player races and their height among the playerbase. Male viera with a drastically short option via the slider would probably become a majority 'short' race by that logic, as they would probably be the preferred height. Eradicating any semblance of "tall player race representation" among the playerbase.

Hmmmm, when creating a tall non-animal, non-Orc (world of warcraft-look-alike), or non-Reptile tail/scales/horn ears, the last thing that comes to the mind of a lot of us who want to make normal tall male is the height distribution within the servers themselves. We're advocating for this for our own character creation purposes. To me, personally, it's not about forcing people to choose a tall male Viera, it's to allow those of us seeking a non-beastial tall male option to have that option. They put out the male Viera sketches, they kinda do have some blame for this tall male Viera expectation in a way. Either way, female Roegadyn style height slider is an elegant solution to this.

[LisSquid]

I know there's a lot of RP'rs around or people who want to fetishize being taller than the males but the game isn't played solely by RPrs.

And, come on dude, we know why you pulled "RP'rs" out for this, too.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

A hit "dog" will holler as the saying goes.

You almost had it...

[Gwenorai]

Can we actually just be real here? Many of the arguments I have seen surrounding this topic, like what sounds like "equal representation" among races, or whatever is coming off as very disingenuous to me - not saying anyone here is being so. When similar arguments were made in the male viera thread over why male viera should be small to compensate for the lack of short male player races, these users were shot down - harshly, I might add. What I think some actually just want is simply a replacement for male elezen, as many are unhappy with them, and it's okay to feel that way!

Viera is their own race, and that's a good thing. They shouldn't be made to fill in some arbitrary slot in player race distribution. Hrothgar are already filling a similar role, as our beast race. Anyway, let's not kid ourselves, if male viera had a very wide range in their height slider, many players would not be happy. As has already been discussed, the distribution of player races and their height among the playerbase. Male viera with a drastically short option via the slider would probably become a majority 'short' race by that logic, as that would probably be the preferred height. Eradicating any semblance of "tall player race representation" among the playerbase.

I don't think it matters if the race on average is seen as small because the player base is choosing for them to be 'small' if there is a broad height range. It's the idea that the player has the option to be tall/small if they wished to be. That's the purpose of the broad height range. People who wish to be small can be, and those who wish to be tall can be. I think it's more about how your WoL isn't shoehorned into being something you don't want it to be. I mean, if I had the option to be tall I'm not going to be like 'ew gross, why are the other players being small' - like, why would I care, they don't matter.

TLDR: If people on average make their male viera small, but you have the choice to make them tall, it's a none issue. Anyone who legit complains about how others have their height slider is blowing hot air.

[ZJyn]

Let me start by saying I am happy the community got what they wanted with Male Viera.

That said, I remember pulling a friend aside after reading the forums and seeing what people's expectations were for how they looked. Everyone's opinions were different on how tall they should be, how buff they should be, how cute they should be...

I said to them: "Even if they do release them, that same vocal group of people won't be happy. Why? They won't look how they want them to look."

*Checks the forums* Welp... time to get in touch with that friend again.