[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

[Hunky]

A bit of overreach on your part to think this is the entire reason. But if you do want to overreach about size diference, please do make sure you include the extremity of the size difference in Au Ra when you are seeing perversion in everything.

I remain hoping that the slider allows both people who want smaller and people who want taller than the female 50% size. It will only be 20 or 30 cm difference from there anyway.

I didn't type that. If you read my post carefully, you'll have seen this part as well:

"I'm sure that some people just want to play a short pretty boy, just like how I want to play a tall pretty boy. But sometimes it does seem that the desire for short male Viera comes from a more sinister place. This is just from some of the weirder stuff I've seen on social media."

I didn't say that 100% of people wanting short bunny boys have perverse intentions. In my response to Senn, I apologized if that's how my post came across.

And what happened to female Au Ra is a travesty. I also mentioned in a previous post about how female Au Ra were not made proportional to the males and therefore caused an imbalance in the height charts.

And just to clarify, the reason why I don't like the idea of making male Viera shorter than max height female Viera is because:

1. Female Viera max height is 75 inches.
2. Male Midlander max height is 71 inches.
3. If you make male Viera shorter than female Viera, even by just 2-3 inches, it would mean they would be very similar in height to Midlanders, and that would defeat the whole purpose of having a new, tall handsome male race.

[Senn]

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It's up now just btw.

[SturmChurro]

1. Female Viera max height is 75 inches.
2. Male Midlander max height is 71 inches.
3. If you make male Viera shorter than female Viera, even by just 2-3 inches, it would mean they would be very similar in height to Midlanders, and that would defeat the whole purpose of having a new, tall handsome male race.

Even if male viera were slightly shorter at max, that's still like 6'1, 6'2. That's pretty much PERFECT height for a man. Tall, but not too tall.

I'd be quite satisfied with that height, if they were to be on par with female even better. I don't think they need to be taller than female viera, when female viera at max are already a good height. SE looks to have struck a good balance here, looking at the more recent comparisons.

[Hunky]

Even if male viera were slightly shorter at max, that's still like 6'1, 6'2. That's pretty much PERFECT height for a man. Tall, but not too tall.

I'd be quite satisfied with that height, if they were to be on par with female even better. I don't think they need to be taller than female viera, when female viera at max are already a good height. SE looks to have struck a good balance here, looking at the more recent comparisons.

Yes, 6'1" is a great height in real life, but 6'1" is not tall in this game.

We have to realize that real-life height doesn't equate to in-game height.

Male Midlanders can go up to 5'11", and while that's a good height in real life, it's short in this game. There are many other races that go well over 6'1", such as Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen. Even the tallest Midlander would seem short by comparison. So while a 6'1" male Viera would sound dreamy in real life, he would be much shorter by this game's standards.

Look at this chart.



If max height male Viera turn out to be the same size as male Midlander or similar, they wouldn't count as a tall race. They would be another short male race.

[_Koneko_]

Yes, 6'1" is a great height in real life, but 6'1" is not tall in this game.

We have to realize that real-life height doesn't equate to in-game height.

Male Midlanders can go up to 5'11", and while that's a good height in real life, it's short in this game. There are many other races that go well over 6'1", such as Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen. Even the tallest Midlander would seem short by comparison. So while a 6'1" male Viera would sound dreamy in real life, he would be much shorter by this game's standards.

Look at this chart.



If max height male Viera turn out to be the same size as male Midlander or similar, they wouldn't count as a tall race. They would be another short male race.

which is perfectly fine

[Hunky]

which is perfectly fine

Right, and this is the area of contention:

Some of us, like myself, have been wanting to play a tall male character with a "pretty boy, anime protagonist" look. Most tall male options right now are very far from that. Male Viera presents an opportunity for us who want that tall, pretty male race that isn't Elezen.

There's nothing innately wrong with short male races. I think male Midlanders and male Miqo'te are great in their own way.

But why force male Viera to be so short when they can be proportional to the females? The two shortest male races (after Lalafell) are already immensely popular.

If male Viera turn out to be proportional to the females, then they would be between male Highlander and male Elezen in terms of height. I predict this because female Viera height is between female highlander and female Elezen.

As you can see, that's not crazy tall. They wouldn't be anywhere as big as male Roegadyn or male Au Ra, meaning that a minimum height male Viera could be capable of being a good short height too for those wanting to play a shorter male. Of course you'd still be taller than a male Midlander and Miqo'te, but that's to be expected because you're playing Viera.

What made female Viera a great addition to the races is that they provided players another tall girl option. So for people who wanted a tall female character but didn't like the female Elezen or Roegadyn proportions/features, female Viera is another option. And yeah, female Viera didn't turn out to be as popular as female Miqo'te or female Au Ra (especially on Japanese servers), but they definitely helped diversify the population. Now we see taller girls running around to balance out the huge female Miqo'te and female Au Ra population.

And just like how Miqo'te and Au Ra are the most popular races for females, Midlander and Miqo'te are the most popular for males (the two shortest males after Lalafell).

People make the argument that making male Viera short would be new and interesting, but I disagree.

I feel that making male Viera short would simply be a repeat of what happened to female Au Ra.

It would be more interesting and creative to have a tall male handsome race, because right now all we have is Elezen. All the other tall male races are bulky, bestial, or covered with scales and horns.

I understand that a lot of players like playing short races. That's why half of the playerbase either plays female Miqo'te, female Au Ra, male Miqo'te, or Male Midlander. Check the census for each server. It's true.

But not all of us want to play short. Some of us want to play tall characters (and tall pretty characters at that). So when a potentially tall race is revealed, it's exciting.

That's why all those threads that popped up after female Viera were released asking for them to be made shorter were frustrating. It's like "we finally got a beautiful and elegant tall girl race" and now people want to take it and make it short because they want Miqo'te with bunny ears. And that's what I feel is happening to male Viera.

Granted, male Viera have never been revealed until now, but looking at past evidence; like Yoshi's comment about male Viera being similar in build to male Elezen, and the concept art, it's clear that male Viera were designed to be on the taller side. So when people say, "Male Viera should be short and if you don't want them to be short you're insecure, etc" it feels extremely unfair.

Like I said, I just wanna be able to play a handsome tall male race that isn't Elezen. And I'm sure a lot of others feel that way too.

[SturmChurro]

Yes, 6'1" is a great height in real life, but 6'1" is not tall in this game.

We have to realize that real-life height doesn't equate to in-game height.

Male Midlanders can go up to 5'11", and while that's a good height in real life, it's short in this game. There are many other races that go well over 6'1", such as Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen. Even the tallest Midlander would seem short by comparison. So while a 6'1" male Viera would sound dreamy in real life, he would be much shorter by this game's standards.

Look at this chart.



If max height male Viera turn out to be the same size as male Midlander or similar, they wouldn't count as a tall race. They would be another short male race.

Midlander are the average, both male and female. Roe and Au Ra are outliers, elezen would be tall. This chart should look more like this (my edit):



If we are going to argue "representation", short males are actually the ones who are underrepresented in this game.


Count max height Elezen as "the outlier", missed that in my edit.

[Gwenorai]

Midlander are the average, both male and female. Roe and Au Ra are outliers, elezen would be tall. This chart should look more like this (my edit):



If we are going to argue "representation", short males are actually the ones who are underrepresented in this game.


Count max height Elezen as "the outlier", missed that in my edit.

This is true regarding short males. Though putting male Viera into that category seems like a waste unless there's simply a very broad height scale. Can't have them be too close to Miqo'te, seems a lot more likely they'll be in the centre. Also, I know guys want to be tall and all that. But if folks are put off that the females may be taller, I really wish you wouldn't be. Honestly, I rarely see max height females in this game. Folks have this weird obsession making them tiny af.

[Renik]

Midlander are the average, both male and female. Roe and Au Ra are outliers, elezen would be tall. This chart should look more like this.

The average irl is not the average in game, you can't make an average based on the only thing that exist in both worlds just because is the familiar one with you, highlander and elezen would be the average.

[SturmChurro]

The average irl is not the average in game, you can't make an average based on the only thing that exist in both worlds just because is the familiar one with you, highlander and elezen would be the average.

Male hyur is average. I am not arguing from RL, though RL height would have a general bearing. Hyur midlander is what everything in the game is divergent from; they are the base, this is why they are the 'average'. That they are also average in height, only cements this.

For example, Au Ra, Roe are extremes. In both height and build. Therefore, they shouldn't be used as a basis. Elezen are tall-very tall. Lalafell would be an extreme on the short end.

The argument that seems to be being made in this thread, is over equal representation of races. Again, that argument falls flat, If we want to take in account the distribution of of every player race, short males are the ones who are actually underrepresented in this game.