Quote Originally Posted by Lanadra View Post
And yet all of you keep wondering 'what can SE do for me in this?' instead of 'what can I do to resolve this issue for myself?'. More than a few of us have repeatedly told OP to do things like queue with a premade or using PF to avoid much of the issue, it keeps being ignored because it's not the solution OP wants. And hey, I can understand that, I personally see nothing wrong with SE doing things to inherently encourage self improvement as people play, rather than a philosophy of solidarity, ergo, others can and should make up for one persons deficiencies. Quite bluntly put however, as that is apparently needed, SE 'ain't gonna do shit' about it. So, what can you, any and all of you who have been collectively bemoaning the 'at least half' of your 'superbad' DF runs, do to resolve this issue for yourselves?

I can say a lot about Awha's chosen method, namely, very liberal usage of vote kick, but at least they are using means offered to them in the game to attempt to resolve this issue for themselves. The rest of you just keep complaining and only saying what SE needs to do, which they won't, or what the 'superbad' players being discussed need to do, which again.. they won't. You can queue as a premade, you can use PF, you can kick these bad apples, you can report them if they're griefing on top of refusing to make an effort, which one could perhaps under certain conditions also consider to be griefing in and of itself.

When it is so clear that SE has no desire to change this 'culture of enabling' the question should be 'what can I do to resolve this issue for myself?'. Because the easiest solution, namely SE doing something about it from the developer side, has already been eliminated.
What i can do? What i’m doing is raising awareness to it. You may want to have people forced into a corner and resort to using pf, but some of us don’t want to resort to that when we aren’t asking much from the community. It shouldn’t be up to whether SE has no desire. We’re the community. We’re the ones giving them money and we have a say in what we want. It’s called raising awareness to the issue. People keep using straw men to try and counter the arguments and solutions people have made for this issue but then people like you just want to hide it and don’t think it’s worth talking about? Give me a break. Maybe if we’re loud enough something will change. That’s how it’s been in the past. Is it unlikely? Yes. Doesn’t change the fact it needs to be said because, just seeing some of the posts in here, people are still delusional and enabling this kind of behavior. It’s toxic, it’s lazy, and it’s ridiculous that it even became a problem in the first place.