Free 2 Play still being considered?

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Scouring around between three different game companies: such as the Runes of Magic vs. Wizards 101 vs. Free Realms vs. Turbine vs. Nexon.

Someone was right, that when F2P is mentioned, auto-defenses kick into full gear.

I see F2P model as it applies to FFXIV as:

Purchase Crysta.
Crysta can be used to:
*Rent an additional retainer for 30 days / 90 days / permanent.
*Rent an additional backpack for 30/90/P.
*Rent a unique mount regardless of level for 7/30/90/P.
*A costume item that appears over top of your equipped gear as long as the costume slot is used. Duration 7/30/90/P.
*An item that allows a U/U item to be traded one time.
*An item that improves the odds of forbidden materia melding and prevents the item from breaking for one try.
*An item that replenishes Rested XP.
*An item that replenishes Anima.
*A ticket to change your character's hairstyle (less expensive).
*A ticket for an entire character make-over, including sex change option and name.

But they easily could do content, race, class lockouts that would need to be purchased, but I believe that's what people here hate more than not. Where the Nexon model would likely float more people's boat here.

Does nothing for population maturity or RMT, but that's what I would see as SE's F2P.

[Kiote]

F2P is a horrible business model that does nothing but destroy good games in the hopes of extending their market life.

I would rather no FFXIV than some F2P bastardization of FFXIV.

[Lexin]

Hate F2P MMO's. If they decide to make XIV a F2P title I'm out.

[Risx]

Rau I just have to ask

do you know what F2P even means?


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Sorry I'm going to have to clear some things up.

What's been said is how F2P shouldn't be done, If you want to look at how it should be done I'd suggest playing League of Legends or Team Fortress 2. F2P isn't about buying content like that. The problem is people's idea of a F2P is stuck in the "pay to win" Korean MMO model (aka how it shouldn't be done). It's about paying for an aesthetic or decreasing the time to do something.

For example, one F2P model that would be OK would be them selling far more powerful EXP Bonus scrolls for crafting/leveling. Another really good one is being able to buy G.C. seals instead of farming them. These two things alone could probably sustain a F2P model alone. Would anyone mind them? I'd hope not since they don't hurt you and you'd hardly notice them.

[Kiote]

I'm nnot really to worried at all to think about a subject like, "Turn FFXIV into F2P game". Because, just by his patches he's throwing at us, the time he take to do them to give us Quality Patches,And most important, his Vision for the game ( In Which I DIDN'T like Tanaka's Vision AT all) If Tanaka was still in Charge (besides Hamlet Defense) would we still get:

lol No offense, but your delusional if you honestly think 90% of that wasn't already planned before Yoshida took over.

Tanaka was, to put it simply, a fall guy.

[Kiote]

For example, one F2P model that would be OK would be them selling far more powerful EXP Bonus scrolls for crafting/leveling. Another really good one is being able to buy G.C. seals instead of farming them.

^ is pay to win.

[Risx]

Kiote, are you implying that it's in anyway hard to do? If so you're an idiot.

All it is is time consuming.

[Amsai]

I am a realist. I don't like the idea of F2P either, but if after 2.0 it has to be done...... then it has to be done. I think its a bit silly to jump to conclusions about it ruining the game. I would take a wait and see approach............. you know like I have been doing since Beta.......(constantly feel like I'm waiting on this or that for this game, drives me a bit nutty sometimes). Anyways, I understand people are worried about F2P bringing in the wrong element, but if SE does it in the right way perhaps it wont be quite so bad. And whatever they come up with I would at least give it a chance before I just arbitrarily quit the game. Now it would be different, if they decided to go straight to a Buy 2 Win strategy. That kind of cash shop is something I couldnt stomach.

But I would be perfectly fine with a Cosmetic Cash Shop (only) and things like being able to purchase DLC and XPACs from the cash shop. If they combined this with a fairly pricey box sale (Buy to Play like GW but more expensive) with a DLC package for each class that gives a lengthy and not so easy quest to get past level 15. Then on top of that offer a fair sub option alternative for people that want subs with some monthly allowance of crysta for the cash shop. And grandfather anyone that is already playing the game that wants to go free to play into it with all existing content they have access to at that point.

I could get on board with something like this. It would not be perfect and it definately wouldnt be what I prefer, but it would be better than no FFXIV at least to me. On the other hand, the dreamer in me wants to believe that 2.0 will be a great (or at least good enough) success and all this will be a moot point. ^^;

[Rokien]

While I don't like the Idea of F2P, a hybrid type might work. I think Lord of the Rings uses a hybrid system.

Subscribers pay a monthly fee and have access to the whole game.

Free to players have access to basic parts of the game, and have to pay for content unlocks.

I think *IF* SE ever decides to go that route a hybrid solution would be the best.

[size=5]hypothetical example of how F2P *COULD* work in XIV post 1.21:[/size] (Free to play players pay per content, Subscribers get everything with their sub fee)

Instanced dungeons: $5.00 per unlock (x4 dungeons = $20.00 total)
Primal fights $3.00 per unlock ($6.00 for moogle and ifrit)
Advanced jobs $5.00 per job (Paladin, Dragoon,White mage ect ect) ($35.00 for all 7 jobs)
Anima recharge $1.00 per 100 anima
personal Chocobo $10.00
Main story unlock $10.00
7th umbral era story $10.00
Access to Inn $8.00
Retainers $5.00 each
Airship passport $10.00

However is you pay your monthly dues all that comes with the sub fee.

Like TheVedis said, F2P comes with a price, but that price is dependent on what you want out of the game. Of course you'll get in the dilemma of subscribers and non-subscribers coming together and the non-subber not having access to certain content, but all they have to do is open their wallet.

*IF* FFXIV ever adopts a F2P model I hope they choose a hybrid over straight F2P.

You guys are going WAY over board with this F2P crap.... Go play vindicuts, go play mabinogi, go play maple story. they give you everything that's content free, most of the cash shop is all cosmetics.......... come on now, don't even say stuff like that.....

Mabinogi is still one of the best MMORPGS out there as well.

[TheVedis]

Kiote, are you implying that it's in anyway hard to do? If so you're an idiot.

All it is is time consuming.

pay to win refers to being able to buy anything that lets you do things faster then those who dont pay

sounds like you are the one out of touch with the problems people have with f2p models and dont understan d them to me


hell you even skipped my entire post and quoted me as "blablablablabla" cuz you clearly dont know what this is all about