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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    For me, the biggest revelation was I was using Adloquium way too much and Energy Drain way too little.

    It seemed self evident the shield healer should, you know, keep up shields on the party proactively as much as possible. And why would I use my precious aetherflow stacks on a 100 potency Energy Drain when I needed those stacks for Sacred Soil and my "Oh Shite!" buttons?

    Boy, was I wrong. ((At least, that what more experienced scholars say)).

    The truth was I was burning thru my MP for a mediocre heal most of the time and ignoring a damage spell which could be weaved in my damage rotation while giving me back health and MP.

    Currently, I'm slowly unlearning my bad habits.
    To be entirely fair, it is quite misleading that what everyone calls the shield healer doesn't actually use shields as its bread and butter heals. I was totally expecting something like Disc priest from WoW (I know, I know, different games) when I first started playing the job, and at least during ARR and mid HW levels that's sort of true, but then it just almost entirely shifts its focus on fairy abilities and damage prevention/mitigation instead.
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    Last edited by Allegor; 05-05-2021 at 03:56 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    To be entirely fair, it is quite misleading that what everyone calls the shield healer doesn't actually use shields as its bread and butter heals. I was totally expecting something like Disc priest from WoW (I know, I know, different games) when I first started playing the job, and at least during ARR and mid HW levels that's sort of true, but then it just almost entirely shifts its focus on fairy abilities and damage prevention/mitigation instead.
    Exactly! I totally thought that scholar would play like a disc priest. Because, you know, shield healer. It's my hope that 6.0 moves scholars more in that direction because the current iteration doesn't fit the class fantasy of a Nymian Marine.

    We need more emphasis of damage mitigation, support buffs, and debuffs. In addition, scholars should have the option to hit hard at the expense of their healing, so a strong Energy Drain is a must.

    But, until then, I hope other players find the link helpful.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    To be entirely fair, it is quite misleading that what everyone calls the shield healer doesn't actually use shields as its bread and butter heals. I was totally expecting something like Disc priest from WoW (I know, I know, different games) when I first started playing the job, and at least during ARR and mid HW levels that's sort of true, but then it just almost entirely shifts its focus on fairy abilities and damage prevention/mitigation instead.
    Given the fact that they're moving to a more distinct Shield/Pure healer setup in the next expansion, they really need to fix that. They should either:

    1) Make the vast majority of SCH heals be shields
    2) Rename the types to Shield/Regen healer (which would, sort of, match what it actually is)
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    the current iteration doesn't fit the class fantasy of a Nymian Marine.
    Yeah, I don't know how to explain it but even when SCH has tons of abilities and fairy stuff for every occasion it feels so.....disjointed? like sure, the abilities are all there but it just doesn't feel they all fit together into an overall theme in the same way WHM is all about light and nature and AST is all about stars and the cosmos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Yeah, I don't know how to explain it but even when SCH has tons of abilities and fairy stuff for every occasion it feels so.....disjointed? like sure, the abilities are all there but it just doesn't feel they all fit together into an overall theme in the same way WHM is all about light and nature and AST is all about stars and the cosmos
    Definitely. S.E. needs to go back and determine what a Scholar is supposed to be at its core. What is its theme? Once S.E. can answer those two questions, I feel they can come up with a Scholar which flows better.
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  6. #16
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    im pretty sure scholar is supposed to be about analyzing and exposing enemy weaknesses and providing tactical solutions with spells such as Libra -- with a bit of black and white magic tossed in there
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    Rename the types to Shield/Regen healer (which would, sort of, match what it actually is)
    They should rename them to "Pure"/"Impure" healer, depending on if you prefer doing an oGCD DoT followed by GCD friendly sparkle spam until it falls off or if you prefer doing an oGCD shield followed by GCD angry sparkle spam until it breaks. Please look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D View Post
    im pretty sure scholar is supposed to be about analyzing and exposing enemy weaknesses and providing tactical solutions with spells such as Libra -- with a bit of black and white magic tossed in there
    This isn't FFXI so FFXI standards shouldn't be applied. DRKs were DPS in that game. They're not here.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This isn't FFXI so FFXI standards shouldn't be applied. DRKs were DPS in that game. They're not here.
    I mean, the job quests constantly mention that is literally what they're supposed to be [sans the white and black magic part], there's just a disconnect between their theme(s) and gameplay, much like how WHM is essentially a druid yet almost all of their spells and abilities are closer to an ecclesiastic priest theme
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by P0W3RK1D View Post
    i'm pretty sure scholar is supposed to be about analyzing and exposing enemy weaknesses and providing tactical solutions with spells such as Libra -- with a bit of black and white magic tossed in there
    You forgot about Nym's partnership with the fairies.
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