Criticism of Shadowbringers and the hostility there in

[LisSquid]

Eureka: people complained they HAD to do Eureka to get the relic and couldn't do normal content stuff like in the past.

Bozja: can do some normal content stuff to get the relic like in the past.

I think the main issue with Bozja and Eureka is the hard truth that SE just thinks fates make for good content. The CEs are a huge step above Eurekas mob grind to prep fates, but it's still just a fate grind to make it to the CE to grind fates to make it to the CE to grind fates..

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I think the main issue with Bozja and Eureka is the hard truth that SE just thinks fates make for good content. The CEs are a huge step above Eurekas mob grind to prep fates, but it's still just a fate grind to make it to the CE to grind fates to make it to the CE to grind fates..

But Fates are just world events with music and a circle. I really never understood WHY people hate them.

[LisSquid]

But Fates are just world events with music and a circle. I really never understood WHY people hate them.

That's exactly why people hate them. It's rinse repeat of the same ol' same ol' we have seen since ARR.

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CEs are actually very fun, and a HUGE improvement from Eureka. What do I do in Bozja, then? I literally hang out at the first plaza for CEs to pop. Thats what I do. A lot of waiting around to do content that is fun. Which seems counter intuitive to the design of the zone, but it is what it is. I have no desire to do ARR content (fates, where you just mindlessly AOE) in the year 2021.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's exactly why people hate them. It's rinse repeat of the same ol' same ol' we have seen since ARR.

You can say that about literally every piece of content that exists though.

[strawberrycake]

You can say that about literally every piece of content that exists though.

ANd thats why you should want the game to be updated on its infrastructure, so the devs can no longer make content in its current stagnated state, and have more freedoms. Thats why we should embrace change and the game being something different going forward. Change isnt scary, all things must change to not stagnate like it has this expansion.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

ANd thats why you should want the game to be updated on its infrastructure, so the devs can no longer make content in its current stagnated state, and have more freedoms. Thats why we should embrace change and the game being something different going forward. Change isnt scary, all things must change to not stagnate like it has this expansion.

Sorry, I enjoy it the way it is. And that's fine. You don't. That's also fine. But don't act like the game is going to die.

There have been threads saying the game is dying since August 2013.


I like when they add new things and change stuff up, but I don't want a completely different game. If I did I wouldn't play this one.

[strawberrycake]

Sorry, I enjoy it the way it is. And that's fine. You don't. That's also fine. But don't act like the game is going to die.

There have been threads saying the game is dying since August 2013.

I dont think I've ever said it would die outright, but I certainly don't think it will last another 10 years in this state, FF11 is still here, thats not death. I would rather not see XIV be quietly put into maint mode without the dev team and the game reaching its potential is all.

Also building upon existing and gutted systems is a form of change, its no longer what it was, but something better, that is the change I want to see. All the while maintainig is distinct FFXIV flavor as it is.

[LisSquid]

You can say that about literally every piece of content that exists though.

I'm not sure what side you're on here. Are you alright with stagnation or are you wanting SE to expand on their game design? I'd say doing HW dungeons are more engaging than fates. At least you're not sitting there spamming aoes to fill a bar to move onto the next fate to spam aoes to fill a bar to move onto the next fate to spam aoes to fill a bar...

[BlitzAceRush]

I think the main issue with Bozja and Eureka is the hard truth that SE just thinks fates make for good content. The CEs are a huge step above Eurekas mob grind to prep fates, but it's still just a fate grind to make it to the CE to grind fates to make it to the CE to grind fates..

I mean, SE don't just think it, some people really enjoy that. When they tried to derail the train in Pagos a lot of people, not just the ones who were trying to stand around for an easy ride, but the ones actually out there killing the mobs to spawn the fates for the train wanted it back. They enjoyed the chill nature of just killing some mobs, chatting in shout and taking it slow, it was probably the closest Eureka came to capturing the vibe of older grinder MMO's and some people are still all over that. Though some hate it, doesn't make either right or wrong, doesn't make the content bad. That's why themepark MMO's offer variety, if you hate rollercoasters(Eukera) you're not supposed to sit on the rollercoasters and complain you hate rollercoasters, well, you can, your ticket lets you do that, but you could also get off of the rollercoaster and ride anything else in the park.

[strawberrycake]

I mean, SE don't just think it, some people really enjoy that. When they tried to derail the train in Pagos a lot of people, not just the ones who were trying to stand around for an easy ride, but the ones actually out there killing the mobs to spawn the fates for the train wanted it back. They enjoyed the chill nature of just killing some mobs, chatting in shout and taking it slow, it was probably the closest Eureka came to capturing the vibe of older grinder MMO's and some people are still all over that. Though some hate it, doesn't make either right or wrong, doesn't make the content bad. That's why themepark MMO's offer variety, if you hate rollercoasters(Eukera) you're not supposed to sit on the rollercoasters and complain you hate rollercoasters, well, you can, your ticket lets you do that, but you could also get off of the rollercoaster and ride anything else in the park.

Thats just it, you spend more time outside the park then you do in. If you go to a Six flags and the attractions are outside the park, does that make sense to you? Or does it make sense to have some stuff outside the park, but all the main attractions inside.

Good desing would have been having content for the relics inside and outside, rather then making Bozja completely seperate. I'm at least saying hey, if you like how Bozja is, good! I want the relic step to have stuff for you who likes stuff outside you can do on your own time, and I hope I get stuff on the inside that I enjoy and can do on my own time!

Thats how Bozja should have been, not a massive over correction.