Which healing job are they gonna gut for Sage?

[Lanadra]

My money is WHM. Still too comfy of a healing job.


And don't say it can't happen. Still weeping over best boy BRD. They looted his natural, rich resources and gave them to Honeybee's newest star resident, Dancer.

Zettai ni urusa nai!

See what you made me do SE? I went full weeabou. Never go full weeabou

Considering the distinction emphasized will be 'pure healers' vs 'shield healers' I don't see why they'd 'gut' WHM. WHM is already a pretty solid pure healer.. and the only one at that currently. Touching WHM would be the strangest move. No, as others have said and as the Endwalker reveal stream indicated, AST will be the job most affected.

[RyuDragnier]

Considering the distinction emphasized will be 'pure healers' vs 'shield healers' I don't see why they'd 'gut' WHM. WHM is already a pretty solid pure healer.. and the only one at that currently. Touching WHM would be the strangest move. No, as others have said and as the Endwalker reveal stream indicated, AST will be the job most affected.

And even then it's likely they'll just lose Nocturnal and Neutral Sect, as they have a solid kit with minimal shields without them.

[ZedxKayn]

Or just lower the cast time of Stone, Glare and Broil to 2, 1.75 or 1.5 seconds and every problem is solved. I do not know why the devs are so insistent on keeping Stone, Glare and Broil at 2.5 seconds. The worst that would happen is WHM gains too much mobility and starts doing a ton of damage because it never clip anymore, which who cares? Almost all jobs have mobility now anyway and WHM has no raid utility aside from damage reduction.

And further homogenize the healers...

[Chaletamale]

Astros will be dead. No more shields for when youre teamed up with a white mage. Now just 2 idiots competing for HOTs unless they make them stackable. Its pretty sad and pathetic that they need to ruin an entire class just to make the new one seem cooler

[Nihility]

My guess is scholar and white mage will mostly stay the same aside from the customary 2-3 new spells and bit of trimming

My guess at the moment is the diurnal side of astro will be getting buffed quite a bit to be more on par with white mage while losing nocturnal or maybe just diurnal/nocturnal will do something else entirely while the base kit is all HoT based

Thinking atm white mage and scholar will be worked to be the "raw output" healers while astro and sage will be the party buffer type stuff

[Seraphor]

Astros will be dead. No more shields for when youre teamed up with a white mage. Now just 2 idiots competing for HOTs unless they make them stackable. Its pretty sad and pathetic that they need to ruin an entire class just to make the new one seem cooler

Most ASTs go Diurnal with WHM anyway, because the regens DO stack.

I think what might happen with Nocturnal, is it turns regens into pure heals.
So Aspected Benefic will be 200 potency with a regen in Diurnal, or just a flat 700 potency heal in Nocturnal.
I also hope they turn Diurnal/Nocturnal into a toggle that uses the same button, and can be switched between mid-battle.

That might actually add a new dynamic to AST, rather than 'gutting it' to make room for Sage.
This way, you'd go Diurnal with WHM because WHM has the strongest pure heals. But going Nocturnal would allow you to emulate the healing strength of a WHM when you're with SCH/Sage.

But there's the possibility they just remove Nocturnal as a sect, and it instead becomes some buff on cooldown that adds a weak shield on top of the regen from Aspected spells.

The real worry is how they're going to manage a Scholar + Sage set up.
Will both of them have something like Scholar's Catalyse, where half the shields stack and half of them don't?

[ZedxKayn]

Astros will be dead. No more shields for when youre teamed up with a white mage. Now just 2 idiots competing for HOTs unless they make them stackable. Its pretty sad and pathetic that they need to ruin an entire class just to make the new one seem cooler

ASTs already barely touch Nocturnal even with a WHM. It's going to change virtually nothing about the job.

[Enla]

ASTs already barely touch Nocturnal even with a WHM. It's going to change virtually nothing about the job.

And the ones that do are the ones who run Noct with a SCH and actively get angry if you ask them to switch or when the SCH just casts their own shields. Had an interesting CoT where I didn't even bother asking the Noct to change because I didn't want a fight when we're doing such easy content and they still went out of their way to overwrite my shields every time I got a Succor off. Even tested it when no damage was outgoing for awhile and every time they'd immediately Helios. Every. Single. Time. It was hilarious but it pretty much summed up my experience with the majority of pure Noct users on my data center.

That said I do hope they don't gut AST too badly with Noct's removal. However given their track record I'm not holding my breath. Historically one or more healers always starts an expansion at a severe disadvantage.

Really what I'd really like is a soft SCH rework as the class is fairly clunky at the moment given how little SE understands how it works. But I also get that asking for that is like wishing on a monkey's paw. You're always going to regret it.

[Brightamethyst]

Astros will be dead. No more shields for when youre teamed up with a white mage. Now just 2 idiots competing for HOTs unless they make them stackable. Its pretty sad and pathetic that they need to ruin an entire class just to make the new one seem cooler

HoTs already stack and always have. Double shields will be so much worse since shields have never stacked (well, Stoneskin and Galvanize stacked but Stoneskin wasn't easily spammable.)

[WhiteArchmage]

HoTs already stack and always have. Double shields will be so much worse since shields have never stacked (well, Stoneskin and Galvanize stacked but Stoneskin wasn't easily spammable.)

Ah, Stoneskin, I miss you so much. Put Adlo and Stoneskin on a WAR before a tankbuster and just... laugh