Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Penthea]

It's the same song and dance in every mmo I played. There are always people complaining about lesser skilled players daring to be in their presence, and for some reason their experiences in the game with those players appear to be significantly more frequent and worse than most people. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Awha]

Competence is to do something successfully or efficiently. Which ever what one prioritizes depends on the person. Some may just go based off completion and others may go based off efficiency.

It really depends on the person for some group performance is all that matters but for others the desire of having everyone carry their own weight is important.

Completion in itself may be enough for you but it may not be the case for others. So it is not a one size fits all standard. Sure some may be fine with a full party of gray's and others may have a higher standard.

It's the same song and dance in every mmo I played. There are always people complaining about lesser skilled players daring to be in their presence, and for some reason their experiences in the game with those players appear to be significantly more frequent and worse than most people. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Oddly enough when I started to play I had friends tell me not to use ACT cause it would be terrifying how bad people are in this game. For the longest I thought it was an exaggeration. Sadly it it was not, so I do not doubt the frequency but I think it more so comes down to varying degrees of patience and expectations.

[linayar]

Competence is to do something successfully or efficiently. Which ever what one prioritizes depends on the person. Some may just go based off completion and others may go based off efficiency.

It really depends on the person for some group performance is all that matters but for others the desire of having everyone carry their own weight is important.

Completion in itself may be enough for you but it may not be the case for others. So it is not a one size fits all standard. Sure some may be fine with a full party of gray's and others may have a higher standard.

If someone is basing it on efficiency, then it's a moot point for DF, which is never going to be as efficient as PF. Telling someone they're underperforming based on a "not one size fits all" standard is also useless.

[Awha]

If someone is basing it on efficiency, then it's a moot point for DF, which is never going to be as efficient as PF. Telling someone they're underperforming based on a "not one size fits all" standard is also useless.

I never said telling someone they are under performing based on a one size fits all standard. Everyone has their own standard. For some it may be completing the fight for others it is being able to execute a basic rotation, for another it may be not letting your tank die due to being dps happy, for others it may not letting the co healer do all of the healing.

What I am saying everyone has their own standard and will enforce it as they see fit. I have my standards and I probably kick more people from DF because of it. Sure in practice waiting those five min to kick someone is not effencit but for me it is an effencit use of my time in terms of maximizing my own enjoyment.

The reality is as many said this is an online game with many different types of players and different standards and play styles. I may not agree with others views and that is okay. I will keep on using the tools in the game to do what I can to maximize my own fun even if it as the expense of another's.

Also let us be real most the stuff that is talked about on the forums is useless.

[linayar]

What I am saying everyone has their own standard and will enforce it as they see fit.

Well, too bad for the OP, I guess. But agreed, outside of violating the ToS, we are responsible for our own enjoyment in the game and can't always expect others to cater to us.

[Caurcas]

It's the same song and dance in every mmo I played. There are always people complaining about lesser skilled players daring to be in their presence, and for some reason their experiences in the game with those players appear to be significantly more frequent and worse than most people. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

If only you knew how bad it actually is.

[SturmChurro]

I'd say the majority of players in this game are underperforming on the regular. It's just that the majority of content, until you get to extremes or high end duties, can be completed anyway, for the most part. Mechanics that require some actual thinking are usually where you find the most party wipes.

[linayar]

I'd say the majority of players in this game are underperforming on the regular. It's just that the majority of content, until you get to extremes or high end duties, can be completed anyway, for the most part. Mechanics that require some actual thinking are usually where you find the most party wipes.

"majority of players...underperforming on the regular"

"majority of content...can be completed anyway"

To me, when you compare and contrast these two statements, it just becomes a meaningless metric if we want to insist on using "underperforming" in this context.

[SturmChurro]

"majority of players...underperforming on the regular"

"majority of content...can be completed anyway"

To me, when you compare and contrast these two statements, it just becomes a meaningless metric if we want to insist on using "underperforming" in this context.

I mean, I could complete dungeons with missing players, heck even if it takes an hour you can complete a dungeon. Completing content doesn't mean a player has completed it and performed well. "Underperforming" is in regards to 'performance'... Such as: using AoE properly (or at all), their skillset more properly - instead of just random keys, properly holding aggro, more efficiently healing; not letting players die, etc. It's pretty self explanatory.

[linayar]

I mean, I could complete dungeons with missing players, heck even if it takes an hour you can complete a dungeon. Completing content doesn't mean a player has completed it and performed well. "Underperforming" is in regards to 'performance'... Such as: using AoE properly (or at all), their skillset - instead of just random keys, properly holding aggro, more efficiently healing; not letting players die, etc. It's pretty self explanatory.

Well, yeah, it is pretty self-explanatory: Performance is based on what you are trying to accomplish, and what you're trying to accomplish is clearing the content, especially when the game doesn't reward you for doing anything extra to clearing the content. How you play is irrelevant as long as you can clear the content.