Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Caurcas]

The best solution, at least to the coddling problem, is to tier DF. So those that want to actually play the game and those that want to not don't have to interact.

[Krotoan]

The best solution, at least to the coddling problem, is to tier DF. So those that want to actually play the game and those that want to not don't have to interact.

Yes.. lets take a system meant to get instances queued in the shortest amount of time AND reward people for helping out non-veterans and segregate it to help the veterans get their rewards without actually helping anyone thereby INCREASING the queue time for the people it was made for in the first place.

[Penthea]

Starting to think OP just can't handle a multiplayer environment.

[Caurcas]

Starting to think OP just can't handle a multiplayer environment.

No, it's just for some reason 14's players on average (At least in NA) are a special kind of not great. I blame the community for that.

[SturmChurro]

I mean, I was on board for NN criticism, but an "expert" 'expert' DF? Yeah, sure, if you don't want to get any queues ever. I think I'm good with the people we get, it's not THAT MUCH of a problem in comparison to what the new wait times - as in never get a queue - would be. For that matter, if a person really wanted to play with "good" players, I'd suggest forming a party, with friends or otherwise.

[Penthea]

No, it's just for some reason 14's players on average (At least in NA) are a special kind of not great. I blame the community for that.

Well I haven't played on NA so I can't comment about that, what I can say is though in DF I rarely come across a player whose performance makes me legitimately annoyed. I find most players are more than adequate for normal mode. Sure not everyone is great, but you don't have to be for normal mode. As long as someone doesn't make me work super hard I'm happy.

99% of the time when I leave a group it's because someone is rude, not because someone is very bad at the game. And well I rarely leave groups anyway. It's literally been several months since I last did.

[Jeeqbit]

The best solution, at least to the coddling problem, is to tier DF. So those that want to actually play the game and those that want to not don't have to interact.

I think a hard mode option for Duty Finder is what a lot of us want, but the reason it's a problem is because it could have a negative impact on queue times which are already not good sometimes.

[Caurcas]

I mean, I was on board for NN criticism, but an "expert" 'expert' DF? Yeah, sure, if you don't want to get any queues ever. I think I'm good with the people we get, it's not THAT MUCH of a problem in comparison to what the new wait times - as in never get a queue - would be. For that matter, if a person really wanted to play with "good" players, I'd suggest forming a party, with friends or otherwise.

Not something like "expert" vs "casual". More so, some internal algorithm that sorts based on if you press you buttons in the mostly correct order or not. Also maybe looks and sees if you use aoe in the appropriate situation.

[Nayout]

Not something like "expert" vs "casual". More so, some internal algorithm that sorts based on if you press you buttons in the mostly correct order or not. Also maybe looks and sees if you use aoe in the appropriate situation.

They are not able to make the game have a learning curve and they are going to do that lmao

[linayar]

Why should the fun of others come at my expense? What happens when there is no one left to carry? What if nobody does their job quest? This is what you people defend.

If people are missing skills because they haven't done their job quests, then feel free to let them know. Try to do it politely/encouragingly if you want them to follow your advice.