Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Caurcas]

Why should the fun of others come at my expense? What happens when there is no one left to carry? What if nobody does their job quest? This is what you people defend.

[Saefinn]

Why should the fun of others come at my expense? What happens when there is no one left to carry? What if nobody does their job quest? This is what you people defend.

Considering the points and nuance raised...I actually think this probably tells us all we need to know about that NN interaction.

Yes, I would say it's better for them to do their job quests.

The point is you're gonna get people of all experiences and walks of life, that's a given. Ultimately, we have to be able to live together, because it's not like the devs are going to gatekeep. And for most of the time people do live together just fine and it's not a case of carrying the world all the time either. And probably why people are not seeing your objections as big of a deal as you are, yes, there are bad things within the FFXIV community, but maybe not as big that people feeling it's as dramatic as a "culture of enabling".

We can help people get better, that if anything is better for the community as a whole and people DO help each other get better, folks can good with newbies, to the inexperienced, to the people not getting it and help them on their way and if anything is why NN exists. I often try to offer people help and advice and in my 8 years in this game I've not had an experience like the one you've witnessed in NN. Where I have seen it is when somebody was an a-hole about it and the dogpiling is because that person was an a-hole about it or just rude or talked down to the player - and that's gone both ways too, if the person being given the advice is just an a-hole about it, I've seen people dogpile on them - like "you don't pay my sub" guy I mentioned in a previous post, we ended up kicking him.

Given this is a point raised that you're dismissing it in a sweeping "This is what you people defend" then it tells me that maybe it's an accurate point.

Sure, there's a handful of bad responses I get from individuals, oh well, there's some people in the world who can't take it. Move onto the next one. It's not common enough for me to be like "community is bad".

[Awha]

Why should the fun of others come at my expense? What happens when there is no one left to carry? What if nobody does their job quest? This is what you people defend.

It is not so much at your expense in the general sense but it is the community that is fostered by having easier normal content. Reality is in the eyes of many other players strangers are no better the NPC's so it is easier to think of them as irrelevant.

Not saying this is a good thing but when a game does not throw challenges that force a group to form a bound it is easier to screw over others. Cause they have no real value.

[linayar]

Why should the fun of others come at my expense? What happens when there is no one left to carry? What if nobody does their job quest? This is what you people defend.

If people are missing skills because they haven't done their job quests, then feel free to let them know. Try to do it politely/encouragingly if you want them to follow your advice.

[Nayout]

If people are missing skills because they haven't done their job quests, then feel free to let them know. Try to do it politely/encouragingly if you want them to follow your advice.

Or rather maybe people should be more attentive to the tutorials and the messages of the game before entering a dungeon? In ARR and Heavensward it was normal to see people without their advanced classes or without all the skills because the game barely told you about them but currently there is no excuse other than being a lazy person who does not care about their time or that of the rest.

[linayar]

Or rather maybe people should be more attentive to the tutorials and the messages of the game before entering a dungeon?

Your ideal expectation of what others should do before entering a dungeon won't help you once you're already inside the dungeon.

The OP asked what can be done about it, and hoping that others would do what you want them to do without you (and other people) having to encourage them to do so is unrealistic.

[Nayout]

Your ideal expectation of what others should do before entering a dungeon won't help you once you're already inside the dungeon.

The OP asked what can be done about it, and hoping that others would do what you want them to do without you (and other people) having to encourage them to do so is unrealistic.

And that's the reason why every day I always have to kick people from dutys

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The frustration are relatable. But other than that, I don’t see it changing nor do I have any high hopes for it.

Go in with premades/friends of similar minds, leave when things go south, or lower your expectations.

Pick your poison, basically.

[strawberrycake]

The frustration are relatable. But other than that, I don’t see it changing nor do I have any high hopes for it.

Go in with premades/friends of similar minds, leave when things go south, or lower your expectations.

Pick your poison, basically.

This basically my current approach

[Lanadra]

And that's the reason why every day I always have to kick people from dutys

If you legit have to kick people every day, I would say you're the problem. I pretty much never have to kick people and I do everything through DF with whatever randos the game gives me.