Months of harassment

[demonofelru]

I have seen other instances where a Japanese video game company would either ban in-game chat (think of how hard it is to have voice chat or send messages to people with Nintendo Switch Online) or remove the online forums entirely if they were consistently abused.

Would we reach the point in FFXIV where there is no longer a Novice Network? Would that be the only way to stop the problem? If this awful person can continually make alts and jump worlds and evade an IP ban & payment method ban, I don't see any other way to stop the toxicity.

As somebody else mentioned, we take hate speech & hate crimes seriously in America. If this were to blow up on social media, Square Enix would have quite a headache on their hands! In their defense, I don't see a way to fix the problem, other than removing the NN for some worlds or all worlds.

Hate speech isn't even recognized as a legal term in the US as most things that would be considered hate speech are legally protected by the First Amendment.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Hate speech isn't even recognized as a legal term in the US as most things that would be considered hate speech are legally protected by the First Amendment.

False. If you walk up to a person of color and call them the N word you can and most likely will be charged with something. It may only be a misdemeanor and forced community service, but hate speech is NOT protected by the 1st amendment.

[Awha]

False. If you walk up to a person of color and call them the N word you can and most likely will be charged with something. It may only be a misdemeanor and forced community service, but hate speech is NOT protected by the 1st amendment.

Well it is not 100% false "hate speech" is not a legal term. Also while no legal expert I do think one could make an argument that if the comments are not a direct face-to-face obesities or harmful speech that is not a threat could be argued protected under free speech.

I do know the supreme court has deemed most what people would consider hate speech not protected but I do think the cases of that ruling were cases of direct insults or conflict.

So in your case it would be charged with someone, and maybe if the person was shouting general things like N word they could be charged with public disobedience or disturbance but doubt it would be a direct charge for what they said.

[Vahlnir]

Well it is not 100% false "hate speech" is not a legal term. Also while no legal expert I do think one could make an argument that if the comments are not a direct face-to-face obesities or harmful speech that is not a threat could be argued protected under free speech.

I do know the supreme court has deemed most what people would consider hate speech not protected but I do think the cases of that ruling were cases of direct insults or conflict.

Yeah, it's a complicated issue to say the least.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Well it is not 100% false "hate speech" is not a legal term. Also while no legal expert I do think one could make an argument that if the comments are not a direct face-to-face obesities or harmful speech that is not a threat could be argued protected under free speech.

I do know the supreme court has deemed most what people would consider hate speech not protected but I do think the cases of that ruling were cases of direct insults or conflict.

So in your case it would be charged with someone, and maybe if the person was shouting general things like N word they could be charged with public disobedience or disturbance but doubt it would be a direct charge for what they said.

While it is a slippery slope most if not all respectable business would not tolerate any semblance of it. I've reported racism and derogatory speech aimed at general types of people. SE's inaction and/or refusal to acknowledge the situation is only hurting them. This is odd since when I reported the events I encountered I had a GM response faster than a healer que.

[Awha]

While it is a slippery slope most if not all respectable business would not tolerate any semblance of it. I've reported racism and derogatory speech aimed at general types of people. SE's inaction and/or refusal to acknowledge the situation is only hurting them. This is odd since when I reported the events I encountered I had a GM response faster than a healer que.

Well I mean as a business you do not have to respect free speech per-se it is also weird but depending on the context you are free to enforce certain standards.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Well I mean as a business you do not have to respect free speech per-se.

Don't try to de-rail the point. You know what I'm going for. Racial Slurs and other derogatory words and phrases only cause trouble and inflict pain. This series of events having been left unaddressed for as long as it has is a failure on SE's part.

[Awha]

Don't try to de-rail the point. You know what I'm going for. Racial Slurs and other derogatory words and phrases only cause trouble and inflict pain. This series of events having been left unaddressed for as long as it has is a failure on SE's part.

Not trying to derail the point was just saying what you said before. I was in overall agreement with your general post.

[SturmChurro]

Don't try to de-rail the point. You know what I'm going for. Racial Slurs and other derogatory words and phrases only cause trouble and inflict pain. This series of events having been left unaddressed for as long as it has is a failure on SE's part.

It's because there is nothing to be done about this person. Even if they banned the mentor main supposedly inviting them, that's just a bandaid fix. It wouldn't be that hard to get into the NN without it. This person is using throwaway free trial accounts, supposedly. Without sweeping changes to how they ban people, added restrictions, or the removal of features (*cough*, NN), what can they do? Law enforcement over "hate speech"?

[demonofelru]

False. If you walk up to a person of color and call them the N word you can and most likely will be charged with something. It may only be a misdemeanor and forced community service, but hate speech is NOT protected by the 1st amendment.

You are 100% incorrect. The Supreme Court has upheld on many occasions that hate speech is protected speech. What isn’t protected is direct threats of violence or speech that incites violence.

Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group. - American Library Association

As the law stands now, government (including public colleges and universities) generally can’t bar hate speech unless it’s direct, personal, and either truly threatening or violently provocative. At the same time, laws against hate crimes don’t violate the First Amendment, because they’re based on actions rather than expressions of an opinion (Wisconsin v. Mitchell, 508 U.S. 476 (1993)). - Lawyers.com