Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

[Karl0217]

Why would they have a whole cutscene literally just for him picking a weapon that we don't get to see? If he picked up a DRK sword something, why hide that? Really doesn't make much sense.

You are talking about the same people that hid the Crystal Exarch's true identity for most of Shadowbringers even though playing through the Crystal Tower raid quests from ARR told you exactly who he was. They do some times play coy with the obvious.

Yoshida is also the kind of guy to shove a necromancer boss into the 5.3 dungeon then wear a shirt featuring the Grim Reaper on stage during a presentation about upcoming classes two months later and then go "Necromancer? What's a necromancer?" He is not above throwing us a red herring or playing with us in regards to these class hints.

I can see connections to judge too, but you do have to agree that it's more far-fetched than a job based on Sice.

It's not about the hairstyle, and it's not even just about using scythe (don't know why everyone focuses on that). Sice is a reaper pretty much, and her signature ability is "grim reaper". Regardless of what you predict, nobody can deny the connections of a reaper from Yoshi-P shirts, to the only Final Fantasy character/job that is a reaper.

And I wouldn't be surprised if it was a job based on Sice and I wouldn't mind that. The only thing is that I haven't seen any hint of that in the game but there have been some odd coincidental things happening in regards to Gaius. Which is why I threw this theory out there in the first place.

[CKNovel]

Zenos taking on the new job is a guess, but it's all but confirmed that's the case.

Why would they have a whole cutscene literally just for him picking a weapon that we don't get to see? If he picked up a DRK sword something, why hide that? Really doesn't make much sense.

I can see connections to judge too, but you do have to agree that it's more far-fetched than a job based on Sice.

It's not about the hairstyle, and it's not even just about using scythe (don't know why everyone focuses on that). Sice is a reaper pretty much, and her signature ability is "grim reaper". Regardless of what you predict, nobody can deny the connections of a reaper from Yoshi-P shirts, to the only Final Fantasy character/job that is a reaper.

It's basically the whole problem.
Why hide a scythe when all clues supposedly confirms it? It's not announced yet but if the job was reaper, why not show Zenos weapon?
Gosetsu was introduced at5.55 and he had a clearly visible Katana announcing Samurai as a (potential) job.

What is the point of hiding the Scythe at this point where everyone is 95% sure it's a Scythe?
There could be no reason and SQEX thought we wouldn't make the connexion between reaper and a scythe but I doubt their think so lowly of us.
The best reason is that they didn't finished the actual Scythe or are still debating on its model.

It's at the point where you say to your parents "I want X for Christmas", get X for Christmas and have to be surprised about it?
Clearly, our expectations so far are Reaper >>> Templar >>>>>>>>>> Judge >> Something else.

[Ultimatecalibur]

It's basically the whole problem.
Why hide a scythe when all clues supposedly confirms it? It's not announced yet but if the job was reaper, why not show Zenos weapon?
Gosetsu was introduced before 5.55 and he had a clearly visible Katana announcing Samurai as a (potential) job.

3.56 and Gosetsu's first full appearance was post-full trailer Samurai reveal. Endwalker's full trailer is getting release on May 14th and the 5.55+ story patch will be the first story patch released after it.

[Raikai]

It's basically the whole problem.
Why hide a scythe when all clues supposedly confirms it? It's not announced yet but if the job was reaper, why not show Zenos weapon?
Gosetsu was introduced before 5.55 and he had a clearly visible Katana announcing Samurai as a (potential) job.

What is the point of hiding the Scythe at this point where everyone is 95% sure it's a Scythe?
There could be no reason and SQEX thought we wouldn't make the connexion between reaper and a scythe but I doubt their think so lowly of us.
The best reason is that they didn't finished the actual Scythe or are still debating on its model.

It's at the point where you say to your parents "I want X for Christmas", get X for Christmas and have to be surprised about it?
Clearly, our expectations so far are Reaper >>> Templar >>>>>>>>>> Judge >> Something else.

Because Yoshi-P likes to tease people with those hints, let them be obvious or not. There's nothing concrete yet about a scythe, only speculation that can possibly not be anything of that.

[Raikai]

I mostly agree and I'd like to add 2 things:

On the 1st point: Imagine if Zenos showed up with Ardbert's axe. That'd be a big mindtwist on the WoL, wether he is aware or not. Though the shape on the trailer pic with the throne doesn't fit. (It also doesn't fit a scythe either, if it was we should see the blade poking out from the far left side, unless it folds toward the shaft of what we see is the bottom and the blade rests on the ground in front of Zenos. But then it would also be a spear, an axe... heck, it could be a bow, after all he is a hunter (ok that last one I'm joking)).

Second point: One of the shirt had the reaper say something like "I'll be there if you need me". One could make a small stretch to Emet's attitude in ShB who basically said this to the Scions and the WoL. "If you need help, I'm here. Totally trustworthy, I just want to try cooperation for a change". It's a stretch, but most theories are.

I aggree that all the emphasis on Zenos' weapon could be a red herring, but then it could be a red herring of a red herring too! ahahahah

My first theory was actually a job that wields a Scythe (reaper reference) but also wields Ascian-esque powers (Emet's reference), that narrative about turning the enemy's power against them.

But then I thought... They want to end the whole Zodiark saga with 6.0, does it make sense to create a job fashioned after those powers? Unless is more or less something like a Void Reaper, that won't necessarily tie with that directly.

[Kalaam]

My first theory was actually a job that wields a Scythe (reaper reference) but also wields Ascian-esque powers (Emet's reference), that narrative about turning the enemy's power against them.

But then I thought... They want to end the whole Zodiark saga with 6.0, does it make sense to create a job fashioned after those powers? Unless is more or less something like a Void Reaper, that won't necessarily tie with that directly.

I don't think it would make much sense to tie the job that tightly to zodiark/hydaelyn/ascians.

Neither would it to lock it behind "being the warrior of light" either. One thing I like about the jobs is that "any adventurer" could have come and done those quests. The WoL just happened to be the one who does (in your adventure).
By that I mean, someone else could have found Fray's body and started the DRK quest, their story would have been different since they don't have the baggage of the WoL, but they *could*.

If a job is "locked" behind being the WoL, it gets weird. It breaks that very fragile illusion of being "unique". It fully shows that everyone with that job IS the WoL. Where as before, they are just other adventurers, who got their jobs in their own ways (that's were personnal RP comes in).

Tldr: Any job that needs to be doned by the WoL specifically to happen breaks immersion/narrative and is (imo) not happening.


Edit:

3.56 and Gosetsu's first full appearance was post-full trailer Samurai reveal. Endwalker's full trailer is getting release on May 14th and the 5.55+ story patch will be the first story patch released after it.

Then Gabranth is fair game, as he is likely to appear in the final Bozja questline. And we know he uses a non-standard weapon set (twin swords, both with a very "non imperial" design since they used the Wootz Scimitar). Reveal whatever the job is (Judge, Mystic Knight, Rune Knight...) and give us a taste with a boss being that job.
Bozja has strong ties to the current situation of Garlemald, and by extension some of Endwalker's plot. So it would work.

[CKNovel]

My first theory was actually a job that wields a Scythe (reaper reference) but also wields Ascian-esque powers (Emet's reference), that narrative about turning the enemy's power against them.

But then I thought... They want to end the whole Zodiark saga with 6.0, does it make sense to create a job fashioned after those powers? Unless is more or less something like a Void Reaper, that won't necessarily tie with that directly.

I think it would be a sort of "Celebration of the Ascian Arc final", a memento.
Basically a "Remember us, remember Zodiark, never forget this adventure" job.

It would be cool in my opinion. A job created by XIV, for XIV.

[sdlister]

No, it is still a guess. ...

My point is that calling it just "a guess" is underselling it. Semantically, it's true, but the evidence available to support that guess is substantially greater than what's available for the case of Zenos not using the new weapon (or that the new job doesn't use a scythe, for that matter). They're not on equal footing like you describe.

... as others have pointed out earlier in the thread that was to serve as a contrast to the WoL from the trailer. It is also probably why his weapon collection consisted of ones belonging to classes the WoL has been in the trailers ...

Is this not the same thing? A series of guesses? We don't know that Zenos used katanas to serve as a contrast to trailer WoL (and if he did, that's a poor contrast). As far as I'm aware, he used a katana because he was intrigued by the combat style when he arrived at Doma and wanted to master it.

...it could very well be the case that Zeno's new weapon is a red herring and he could changing into another class the WoL has showcased in the trailers like Warrior...

If you're arguing from the angle that it could happen, then yes, it could, but it's very unlikely. Job teases and reveals have never been ambiguous and intentionally misleading.

... I am not sure a hairstyle added to the game five years ago is evidence of the new class.

I never said that. I said the timely re-inclusion of a hairstyle worn by an FF character that primarily uses a scythe and represents the grim reaper theme--after several of Yoshi-P's shirts have had scythes and reapers on them--is evidence of a new scythe job.

As for Yoshida's shirt hints, the idea that a Grim Reaper shirt hint might be hinting at class tied originating from army created by a guy named after a God of Death and fielding Reaper battle mechs...

Hades is the Greek god of the underworld, not death. I thought I included that in my original nitpick but apparently not, whoops. You're thinking of Thanatos. Regardless, what does magitek reaper armor have to do with a job that fights on foot? It's Garlean, sure, but that's it. That's the only relation. Given Yoshi-P's shirt history, it's not nearly direct enough of a hint.

And Garlemald is not wiped out. ... 5.5 made it pretty clear we are going to be fighting Garlean forces, largely under the Telophoroi banner, for most of Endwalker...

Garlemald is the equivalent of a smoking crater in the 6.0 trailer. That's what I was referring to. There's no reasonable way we can assume who or what we'll be dealing with for the majority of Endwalker from the first half of 5.5, though.


A lot of what I'm trying to say to you is that while yes, hypothetically, anything is possible and Yoshi-P could just have wanted to be incredibly vague about revealing this particular job, it's overwhelmingly more likely that he's being direct like he's always been and the job uses a scythe. I would love to be proven wrong, but I just don't see that happening.

[Karl0217]

My point is that calling it just "a guess" is underselling it....

My point is calling it more then a guess is overselling it. You got three shirt hints featuring the Grim Reaper on it, one of which doesn't even have a scythe on it, and them being coy about revealing Zenos's new weapon. No more, no less.

And from that people are guessing the shirts mean a scythe wielding class and Zenos is going to showcase this new class. What happens if the shirt hints reference a class with death themed armor and death themed abilities and no scythe? That's a very real possibility.

And I remember when the first trailer for Stormblood dropped and a lot of people jumped to the assumption that Lyse sparing with the WoL atop that statue was a fight between a Monk and Dancer, that the Girl In Red (Lyse) was a Dancer and Dancer was going to be a job added in Stormblood. Turned out it was just two Monks sparing. That alone should serve as a warning about taking something ambiguous from a trailer as a near certainty.

Job teases and reveals have never been ambiguous and intentionally misleading.

Yoshida's 007 shirt had people guessing Agent (which was a job in Tactics), Musketeer, Gunner; very few people guessed Machinist. Most people agreed it was a gun using class but that was about it. The Spiderman shirt had a lot of people guessing Blue Mage - because Peter Parker got bitten to get his powers and a Blue Mage gets attacked by monsters for its powers - and a lot of people mocked the Sam Raimi / Samurai theory. You are looking at these shirt hints with the benefit of hindsight and it is that hindsight make it seem like they have never been ambiguous but looking back on the discussion threads at the time paints a very different picture.

And Hades is both the Greek God of the Underworld and of the Dead. I think it is disingenuous to say that the name is not connected with death because the Greeks had other gods associated with death like Thanatos and Charon. Also, saying the fact the Garlean Army fields an armored vehicle called the Reaper is not evidence of a potential Garlean soldier class because we fight on foot is in the same category as saying the scythe can't be a weapon because the Botanists use it already in game.

And yes, we can reasonably assume that we will be dealing with the Garlean Army for a good chunk of Endwalker from 5.5. We know they are building Zenos's tower and will likely be garrisoning it and the area around it. We know a large chunk of the Garlean Army have joined up with the Telophoroi. We know they released dungeon artwork showing a train depot at a Garlean military base. We even had Fandaniel bragging that the Garlean Empire and Army was the cornerstone of his plan in the last cutscene: "A mighty Empire, now no more then an instrument for this star's destruction. What a pleasure it will be to put it to use!"

[Jirah]

I'd rather they work on some of the existing jobs with issues.

I'll take a MCH-like MNK overhaul before another job.

you mean make the job insultingly easy and unintuitive? no thanks by this abhorrent definition that ive seen too many times what you want is a job that you do 1-2-3 and drill then spam heat blast. Placing in in MNK form would turn it into a huge bore. Let MNK mold its own identity and MCH isnt a rework its a reduction and isnt the standard of reworks should follow if all jobs were like MCH the game would be shallow as hell