Months of harassment

[NanaWiloh]

Start a petition for SE to take some action. Post the link too it in the Aether discord make sure you ask the Admins there before hand. Most importantly DO NOT POST IT HERE!!! As such things are not allowed on the forum page. Get a couple thousand people to sign if possible then mail the entire thing to SE the same way players petition Blizzard for Classic servers. Its clear that forum posts are not getting their attention so time to make a big rukus that will. Harrassement is not acceptable and even though I am not on Aether I agree its time for the nonsense thats been happening to stop. Players should not have to deal with the constant garbage Aether has being going through or being harrassed personally by another player.

[Helbya]

Alright, but what exactly do we want SE to do about this? Novice Network obviously lacks in the moderation side but I doubt SE will spring for hiring moderators with the tools to intercept, track, and block this kind of harassment. There has been sufficient discussion on the ineffectiveness of IP Bans and such. Blocking all macro scripts from inputting anything to the Novice Network seems like the least intrusive way to inhibit these attacks, but doesn't exactly stop them from happening. Tracking the 'Mentor' inviting these alts could lead us to the primary account, but could also lead to random victims who invited the inconspicuous sprout in Limsa.

[DamianFatale]

It's sad that this thread is still going. I hope an investigation gets going on the issue already.

[MiniTofu]

considering the amount of dedication this guy has, its likely that hes also got mentor alts as well on burner accounts, as well as a way to reset his IP so that he cant be tracked and IP banned. I mentioned this earlier but, I personally think his payment information needs to be banned. I also dont think targetting the people who invite him in would work because it could simply be a case of them shouting in limsa “Can someone please invite me to novice network?” majority of the time.

That guy is lifeless, he has nothing to do but harassing the public? w...t...f.. ? Is he mental?

[Vahlnir]

Is he mental?

By the sound of things? Yes. No question about that.

[Jojoya]

They tend to respond to JP related issues with much less public outcry.

If half as many JP players reported this as NA people did it would've been taken care of.

Take natural disasters as another example. Any kind of natural disaster that knocks out power in JP they pause things like housing auto-demo yet here in NA it takes several thousand people for them to do anything in the same manner.

While I want to believe it's just "Japan knows Japan problems better than other places' problems" there are some things that have made me question it. I think the mass amounts of nonsense that happens in the NA community has led them to start ignoring a lot of what we post/say about things.

My question wasn't why would they be more likely to address it on JP servers than NA. Clearly SE practices bias toward their JP player base despite all of us paying the same subscription (look at the greater number of worlds for JP players despite lower active population and how that impacts house availability for JP compared to NA).

My question was how would they be able to address it any better? VPN are extremely common these days when one wants to mask identifying factors and it's quick and easy to make throwaway trial accounts. Assuming SE would go to additional lengths to get the assistance of law enforcement in obtaining the real world identity of the individual responsible (which I doubt over something players can easily handle on an individual basis through blacklist), they're still going to be tied up by whatever the legal system is where that individual resides and whether or not that legal system would consider the individual's actions a crime.

So again how could SE address it any better if it was happening on the JP servers instead of the NA servers? They're still up against trying to identify the individual responsible then getting assistance from law enforcement to stop that individual's activities.

[Jijifli]

So again how could SE address it any better if it was happening on the JP servers instead of the NA servers?

The same way they responded to PvP hacks, I guess.

They didn't care until it sprouted up on JP servers, and they responded by banning trials from every doing the content so if one does it on their JP servers, they can ban them.

So if they do respond, they'll just prevent trials from accessing the NN.

[AstraBraifort]

So again how could SE address it any better if it was happening on the JP servers instead of the NA servers?

It wouldn't be addressed "any better". It's just that, as with most issues on JP servers, it would be addressed faster and taken more seriously.

You originally posed this question to one of my responses, and I honestly don't know why, because my post didn't mention it would be addressed better either. I said it would've been addressed by now.

(...) because if this situation were happening on a JP data center, it absolutely would've been addressed by now. But because it's on an NA data center, it's no real issue to SE it seems... Especially since it's only really affecting a small subset of players too (those in Aether's NNs).

[AstraBraifort]

"What do you want SE to do about this?" I've seen people ask this in the thread a lot. The purpose of this thread was to raise attention to this issue because players shouldn't have to put up with this for as long as it's been going on (since around August), especially in a chat meant for new players to get help in the game. So what do I want SE to do about this? Honestly, at this point, I want them to do whatever they need to as long as it solves this issue. It's nice to try and think of solutions on here, but ultimately if there is an issue going on in the game, the onus is on SE to figure out how to solve it, not the players.

[Helbya]

That's a fair point; This is a service we are Paying for, and someone is clearly harassing and attacking the community in contemptuous violation of the stated rules. It doesn't fall on us to fix the problem.