Results -9 to 0 of 326

Threaded View

  1. #11
    Player
    WhiteArchmage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Posts
    1,458
    Character
    Samniel Atkascha
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Correct me if i’m wrong, but isn’t that something people use against the ascians/the ancients? Trying to fix the past and bring back their loved ones instead of just living in the present? The game pushes the notion of forget the past and instead try to strive toward a better tomorrow, so shouldn’t have Graha just tried to work in that current timeline to live for a better tomorrow instead of changing the past and the timeline? Just going based off what kind of message they’ve been pushing this expansion with the future, i find it odd it’s seen as a heroic thing when he does it but in the antagonists case it’s bad.In the short story they even say that some people disagreed with Cid’s plan because he was forsaking them, and he can’t even deny that.
    I mean, it's... very different. The Ascians' plan involves literal genocide to bring back people who were sacrificed, making a horrible cycle of sacrifices over and over to retain something that is lost. The "Ironworks of the Future"'s plan involves going back in time and preventing the Calamity from happening in the first place, making a better Future. It's even mentioned IN that side-story, once G'raha is sent to the past, that the leader wonders (too late, he thinks) if they'll be erased from existence if G'raha suceeded (will succeed, Time Travel Tense Problem). He refuses to believe that G'raha failed, so he concludes they must have created an alternate timeline and resolves to do the best with the Present they got.

    Even if, in the discussions of the theory in Time Travel, G'raha's involvement would have deleted POSSIBLE lives (not existing ones, like the Ascians), they would have saved infinitely more by averting a Calamity in the first place.

    Basically, the Ascians are "Sacrifice the Present and live in the Past forever because 12 people don't like the Present", the Ironworks' is "Go back to the Past and Give those people a fighting chance"

    EDIT: I had to look it up because your last line rang really weird for me, as I didn't remember any opposition in G'raha's short story we were talking about. That part is not from "An Unpromised Tomorrow", which features G'raha Tia; but from "A World Forsaken" which is from Omega's PoV about Cid (and Nero). Yes, a majority of people disagreed with Cid's plan; yet Omega actually puts it in a non-heroic light.

    Such responses were consistent with my projections, as it is generally the primary objective of all life-forms to secure their own survival in the here and now.
    During this period, one loyal scholar noted that while preventing the disaster may not solve all of the problems that had afflicted the world of the past, the one dubbed the “Warrior of Light” would still be alive. The various members of the team each had their own personal connection with the deceased, and the notion of creating an alternative past in which their hero survived the Calamity met with unanimous approval.
    So if we're only going on G'raha's character (which has been the discussion): he's basically woken up by the 200th president of Garlond Ironworks, begged for his help, and has his Heroic side poked by the people who wake him going "Help us, G'raha Tia, you're our only hope." Which in THAT side-story is consistent with his fanboy characterization of "Everyone around me is a hero! I wanna be one, too! And I'll get to meet the Greatest Hero of The Time, again, too!" which, such WoL worship isn't at all uncommon considering the UNANIMOUS APPROVAL for saving the WoL.

    In addition, by presenting their plan as an attempt to save the Warrior of Light rather than a bid to rewrite history, they were able to gain the support from survivors of many different species and subgroups. Representatives from various settlements came to donate resources and foodstuffs to Garlond Ironworks, despite possessing barely enough to sustain themselves. Many of them were also acquainted with the Warrior of Light, some even claiming to have been beneficiaries of the late hero’s acts of philanthropy.
    (11)
    Last edited by WhiteArchmage; 04-24-2021 at 03:19 AM.