6.0 Story Speculations

[BlitzAceRush]

Yeah, Emet forgot to include instructions.

Instructions unclear, accidentally summoned Anima, send help.

[Rannie]

Yeah, Emet forgot to include instructions.

Is that why I have no idea as to where the batteries go in that thing?!?

[Vyrerus]

Yeah, Emet forgot to include instructions.

Insert Crystal A into Slot B.

Invoke the old rites.

Insert Crystal B into Slot C.

Sing Modern Major General.

Slap Thancred.

Congratulations, you should remember the grapes now.

[Ceridwenae]

Insert Crystal A into Slot B.

Invoke the old rites.

Insert Crystal B into Slot C.

Sing Modern Major General.

Slap Thancred.

Congratulations, you should remember the grapes now.

Would it break if I WoL slapped Thancred twice? Asking for a friend.

[Fenral]

Like an Ascian, or an Ascian? The "without shadow" aspects of them is rooted in something we likely can't mimic just by having a stone that, if we used it in a certain way, might awaken the Azem identity to a degree that it overwhelms the Warrior of Light identity. But even the Warriors of Darkness were said to be "like the Ascians;" Minfilia, too. But Azem wasn't there to summon Zodiark, and therefore probably lacks some of the qualities that 1:1 define "AN ASCIAN." (Recall that Lahabrea had to "raise up" the of the Twelfth Blah Blah, himself.) That said, if you had the Azem stone, an Overlord, and whatever Emet-Selch was musing about in the jungle, you might stand a chance of pulling it off! lol

Like whatever Gaia is, then, and she calls herself an Ascian while still maintaining what bits of her own identity she could recover. But yeah, we still don't know what required an (unsundered) Overlord specifically. I guess that would make the list as we know it:

1) A candidate.
2) The Convocation crystal.
3) An Overlord to complete the ritual.
4) ??????? (Please look forward to it.)

If it was just installing the Echo in a compatible soul, we've already got that taken care of, but if there was some specific communion with Zodiark then we're probably SOL for the time being. Still, we have to have kept the job crystal for something, and since it only has the one known function...

Granted, I got here the bad way, not by working up through the established lore, but by working down from, "What could the WoL meaningfully sacrifice while still maintaining their role as the Player Character," and pretty much the only thing left on the list that met those two conditions was, "their humanity."

[KizuyaKatogami]

I don't feel like getting into the usual circular arguments on morality these things tend to devolve into anymore, but I will say this:

The PC is mentally ill in the DRK 30-50 questline. Legitimately. Remember that.

I mean, i don’t think anyone is denying that but.... so what? They get a pass? We overlook their sins made because they’re the WoL and they could do no harm? Yet again, if it was an antagonist to do the same people would be getting the pitchforks etc. The double standard is really what i’m pointing out.

[WhiteArchmage]

Sing Modern Major General.

Do you want us to die trying?

[Lauront]

Like whatever Gaia is, then, and she calls herself an Ascian while still maintaining what bits of her own identity she could recover. But yeah, we still don't know what required an (unsundered) Overlord specifically. I guess that would make the list as we know it:

1) A candidate.
2) The Convocation crystal.
3) An Overlord to complete the ritual.
4) ??????? (Please look forward to it.)

If it was just installing the Echo in a compatible soul, we've already got that taken care of, but if there was some specific communion with Zodiark then we're probably SOL for the time being. Still, we have to have kept the job crystal for something, and since it only has the one known function...

I think there must be some manner of communion with Zodiark required as well in order to take on the aspect of darkness. They prefer the original souls of Zodiark's summoners because that's already there, but in principle they can work with any soul once the Echo is awakened, something Emet-Selch reveals.

It's truly a shame that the Warring Triad trials and associated quests were not made mandatory at some point.

There's a wave of information where Unukalhai explains to us that not all primal-like entities are the same, and that ones of far greater power and persuasion are the only beings truly dubbed as Eikons by the Allagan Empire.

In the course of the quest line, the Warring Triad is shown to be able to Temper by sheer proximity, through walls, without even needing to launch some good ole tempering orbs/lances/energy.

They have also been used as a power source for Azys Llla for 5,000 years. Rather than needing a constant swathe of believers and crystals and aether, they are the power source. This is part of the reason we were able to best them.

You'd think with all our perusings of Azys Lla, they'd at least get some mention for us to understand the nature of deiform entities better, but they don't, and it's criminal imo.

It also shows that back in the day, the summoning rituals that the Ascians were handing out were even closer to creation magicks, and they may have directly helped with them, in order for the Meracydian tribes to have such powerful primals. That's supposition on my part, obviously, but what other explanation is there(aside from the meta one where they are direct lifts from FFVI, where they were the original Gods and Progenitors of Magic).

I agree, they should definitely become mandatory for 6.0, or at least strongly advised. The Meracydian Primals have always stood out to me as more complex entities, but over and above that, as Primals installed in the Aetherial Sea, Zodiark and Hydaelyn would require various special characteristics to meet the summoners' objectives. At least they're not working within the very limited framework of your typical Beast Tribe primal, e.g. Ifrit, Garuda, Titan etc.

Still holding out hope that Azem/Ascian of Light is going to be a secret job you get during the Endwalker MSQ.

I'd just love a caster modeled after their use of dark magics, or if it must, one which invokes both light and dark. Something I'd hoped a time mage might do in some facet. It'd fit nicely with the theme that neither is good or evil...

[Cilia]

I mean, i don’t think anyone is denying that but.... so what? They get a pass? We overlook their sins made because they’re the WoL and they could do no harm? Yet again, if it was an antagonist to do the same people would be getting the pitchforks etc. The double standard is really what i’m pointing out.

1. While the "insanity defense" is thrown around humorously and humorously often, this is one point where it's entirely applicable. If someone's not in their right mind, is it really fair to hold the things they did in that state against them?
2. I never said to "overlook the [PC]'s sins." I said to, in that instance, consider they were not in their right mind before passing judgment. I never said "The PC is a perfect angel who never has done and never can do wrong;" you did because it's an easier position to attack than "It's not fair to be so harsh on someone who's been driven out of their mind due to a combination of PTSD and magically induced psychosis." (Re: Strawman fallacy.)
3. The problem with this general line of thinking is twofold: whataboutery and false equivalence. First, when someone criticizes an antagonist's actions as wrong, "Well, what about [X Thing] [Y Protagonist] did?" is not a valid counterargument because both context and magnitude are of extreme importance. Without considering those there is the implication that all actions share a moral equivalence, and since nobody is perfect all criticism is hypocritical. (Or everyone holds double standards therefore all criticism is hypocritical, as you would term it.) Therefore nobody can criticize anyone else, and everyone should be free to do whatever they want (I guess).

Everyone is a hypocrite, everyone is biased, and everyone holds double standards. Considering that... I don't see the point in holding those against people anymore, but someone inevitably does so, turning the "argument" into a circle of strawmen, whataboutery, and so on and so forth. Then it's just a waste of time on everyone's part.

Can you tell I'm really not a fan of this anymore? Agree to disagree if you want, but it works both ways, kiddos.

[BlitzAceRush]

I think there must be some manner of communion with Zodiark required as well in order to take on the aspect of darkness. They prefer the original souls of Zodiark's summoners because that's already there, but in principle they can work with any soul once the Echo is awakened, something Emet-Selch reveals.



I agree, they should definitely become mandatory for 6.0, or at least strongly advised. The Meracydian Primals have always stood out to me as more complex entities, but over and above that, as Primals installed in the Aetherial Sea, Zodiark and Hydaelyn would require various special characteristics to meet the summoners' objectives. At least they're not working within the very limited framework of your typical Beast Tribe primal, e.g. Ifrit, Garuda, Titan etc.



I'd just love a caster modeled after their use of dark magics, or if it must, one which invokes both light and dark. Something I'd hoped a time mage might do in some facet. It'd fit nicely with the theme that neither is good or evil...

While we know the next job is a melee maiming I could see a reverse RDM being a cool catalyst for this idea, basically this slow, hard hitting melee dps that builds a gauge and then unleashes some magic attacks, could be cool.