Fixing Player engagement DEV pls consider

[linayar]

Yet the commendations system exists, which is a requirement for mentorship and if anything else is even more flawed. People comm based on glamour, role, catgirls, don't bother comming, they comm 0 dps healbots, the dps who used peleton but actually did terrible dps, the tank who wall pulled with no cd's and was carried by the healer and so on. The commendation system relies on players, many of whom are new, inexperienced or don't know how your role works rather than math, logic and actual numbers.

Why can't we have a medal system or performance report when it's perfectly fine for the vastly inferior commendation system to exist?

Because the commendation system exists precisely to reward people you like being in a duty with, regardless of the reason. If you put on a silly outfit and it makes someone's daily roulette more fun, then good for you. If you only heal the tank and makes the tank feel safe, then good for you. It's not a flawed system in that regard as it's doing exactly what it's supposed to. You could be the best player in the duty, but if the rest of the party did not enjoy playing with you, there's a chance of you not getting a commendation.

If there's any flaw to the system, it's the fact that there is a weekly task you can do to gain rewards for giving out a certain number of commendations. That's the only thing that needs to be changed (ie, removed).

Also for the argument of "someone else could get you killed and there goes your gold medal". Is a gold medal really that important? It's just a "well done" for a good run. Who cares if someone messes your run up from time to time, you know what happened and if you play well you'll get plenty of medals on average.

Because the OP wants to tie the medal to more tangible rewards. Human nature would make people not feel good if they're shown (or think) to be hindered from reaching their goal by someone else.

[Ath192]

Because the OP wants to tie the medal to more tangible rewards. Human nature would make people not feel good if they're shown (or think) to be hindered from reaching their goal by someone else.

Maybe, but seeing as you get a chance every time you get an eligible roulette the loss isn't that great, and while people like to focus on the worst thing that can happen, I.E. the community breaks down and starts insulting each and blaming each other (Something that already happens still) I think, and am a bit confident, that the majority of people would be more willing to communicate, and put up a group effort so that everyone does well.

I think if we can put ourselves in that situation, lets say a Nier raid at the moment, and I really wanted that medal. If I see someone dying I'd let them know what the mechanics do, make sure to answer any questions they have and encourage other people to do great so we can get them. Overall increasing the social aspect and performance of the group as a whole, that is something uplifting. And I think the majority of people would behave this way. Rather than purely negative, which some few regrettably do, and they resort to blaming and accusation regardless of a reward or not.

Is the game we want to play really designed around and for those that won't be happy no matter what? That will find the negative in everything we do? I'd care to say no, That is what the disciplinary tools are there for, Vote kicking, GM reports, etc. Not the game and raid design... That should be guiding, encouraging and challenging us to do better.

[linayar]

I think, and am a bit confident, that the majority of people would be more willing to communicate, and put up a group effort so that everyone does well.

The existence of the duty finder would suggest that less communication is preferable.

[Ath192]

The existence of the duty finder would suggest that less communication is preferable.

I am of mind that the existence of the duty finder is a suggestion that people like convenience, not that they would not like to speak to anyone or interact with them. It defeats the purpose of playing an mmorpg to suggest that is what people are looking for, solitude. And for those folk the trust system has been an option since 5.0.

[LaylaTsarra]

I am of mind that the existence of the duty finder is a suggestion that people like convenience, not that they would not like to speak to anyone or interact with them. It defeats the purpose of playing an mmorpg to suggest that is what people are looking for, solitude. And for those folk the trust system has been an option since 5.0.

When do people speak to one another in DF other than say hello or ty for the party? You're joking right? Many time they say nothing at all.

[Vahlnir]

When do people speak to one another in DF other than say hello or ty for the party? You're joking right? Many time they say nothing at all.

Unless everyone is social, I usually say "Hello" at the start and "Thanks all, gj" at the end. There are also times where half my party dies to a tank buster that another group's tank decided to drop on us and I say something like "Gotta love that tank buster. lol" like I did earlier. I was still the only one to say anything the entire time outside of the standard greetings at the start so I guess it was a little awkward. I guess it's my way of trying to de-escalate the tension.

[LaylaTsarra]

Unless everyone is social, I usually say "Hello" at the start and "Thanks all, gj" at the end. There are also times where half my party dies to a tank buster that another group's tank decided to drop on us and I say something like "Gotta love that tank buster. lol" like I did earlier. I was still the only one to say anything the entire time outside of the standard greetings at the start so I guess it was a little awkward. I guess it's my way of trying to de-escalate the tension.

Bet you're fun in a party. I have alts on Crystal maybe i'll catch up with you sometime although I do a lot of capping with hunt trains nowadays.

[linayar]

I am of mind that the existence of the duty finder is a suggestion that people like convenience, not that they would not like to speak to anyone or interact with them. It defeats the purpose of playing an mmorpg to suggest that is what people are looking for, solitude. And for those folk the trust system has been an option since 5.0.

Convenience comes with not having to communicate (much) due to how easy the content is. Once the content starts to get harder, forcing more communication, people would use party finder instead of just using the duty finder.

[ItMe]

I think if we can put ourselves in that situation, lets say a Nier raid at the moment, and I really wanted that medal.

If you wanted a medal, you'd overcap on them just doing the easy peasy dungeons doing your dailies.
Trying to get a medal in any specific content would work... if there's a tracker for what duties you have/haven't folded. But this medal system will really fumble if a gold from Sastasha has as much weight as one from e12s.

[Ath192]

If you wanted a medal, you'd overcap on them just doing the easy peasy dungeons doing your dailies.
Trying to get a medal in any specific content would work... if there's a tracker for what duties you have/haven't folded. But this medal system will really fumble if a gold from Sastasha has as much weight as one from e12s.

Yeah, I think in page 2 or 3 I mentioned it would be for level 80 activities mostly, when, presumably one is expect to have a decent grasp on their jobs. And grinding them is more than okay, they could have no cap at all. And once a person has gotten all the rewards they want, as long as they keep adding new ones they will always try to perform well in duties simply to snag one while they're at it.

You know how you can trade achievement points with Jonas in Gridania? and occasionally they add something in there? Something like that or the Faux Hollows currency. But with more expensive items and updated a bit more regularly since they barely put any attention to that one.