Months of harassment

[Nayout]

Some have to understand that even to teach you need some experience and from what I read the mentor that Awha points out did not have it.

Some helping simply make situations worse or further confuse new players or even scare.

[Awha]

The difference between my NN's issue and yours is that mine was actually an issue.



Yeah. They were being helpful. I'd say the kick wasn't justified. Awha has a certain..."flair" for the dramatic, however, so I guess I'm not entirely surprised. lol That said, job explanations (starting from lvl 1 no less) would have probably best been explained via /tell with the person wanting help.

Not exactly sure what you mean how making the answer to a simple question into a mini thesis paper. Too much info is not exactly a good thing and flooding NN with explanations explaining every feature under the settings just to answer a simple how to change a color of a text. End of the day if they wanted to go into that much depth they should have done it via whisper. Though when things like that were brought up it did create a similar effect some people think it is okay and others did not thus the kicking blood bath.

[Awha]

Some have to understand that even to teach you need some experience and from what I read the mentor that Awha points out did not have it.

Some helping simply make situations worse or further confuse new players or even scare.

Aye being able to explain info in a concise manner is also important.

[Vahlnir]

Not exactly sure what you mean how making the answer to a simple question into a mini thesis paper. Too much info is not exactly a good thing and flooding NN with explanations explaining every feature under the settings just to answer a simple how to change a color of a text. End of the day if they wanted to go into that much depth they should have done it via whisper. Though when things like that were brought up it did create a similar effect some people think it is okay and others did not thus the kicking blood bath.

I'm not saying that they handled themselves properly, but I don't agree with kicking them because they were doing what they signed up for, though possibly in too much detail. You are right that they probably should have taken some explanations to a more private setting though, especially if they were going to be lengthy. But that doesn't justify the kick in any way, shape or form.

[Vinupra-Rosa]

Not exactly sure what you mean how making the answer to a simple question into a mini thesis paper. Too much info is not exactly a good thing and flooding NN with explanations explaining every feature under the settings just to answer a simple how to change a color of a text. End of the day if they wanted to go into that much depth they should have done it via whisper. (...)

While it's clear they could have tried to be better at what they're doing, they are at least trying and seem to be enthusiastic about helping; you can't not go write essays in trying to help someone and not have enthusiasm about helping people out. You were in the wrong for kicking this mentor, and no matter how annoyed you and some others might be at their delivery there is no way your kick was justified.

You can't just make people change easily, you can't just make someone learn the skill that is being selectively concise. I am more than familiar with the situation. I'm trying to help a friend whose issue is also excess--- but they mean well. They are trying. But change is hard.

Aye being able to explain info in a concise manner is also important.

Their lack of ability to express an idea concisely does not justify you actions, however.

(...) Though when things like that were brought up it did create a similar effect some people think it is okay and others did not thus the kicking blood bath.

The fact that people defended this person should be, for you, cause to stop and think 'wait, maybe I was in the wrong?'

You might have been annoyed at the over-explanation. Others might have been as well. But there are obviously those who don't mind it, or at least don't mind it as /much/ or think it's that big a deal and are more than willing to contest your kicking by deeming it abuse of the system. Their perspectives aren't any less valid than yours.

[Awha]

I mean I did not go over everything in detail. I mean it is not like the moment I became a mentor I kicked the person. We tried to explain it and it was going no where so I was like meh we shall let the powers at be decided and thus the great battle ensued. Was just using the story as an example as to why giving mentors too much power cause it can and will be abused. To be honest I wish a GM got involved many claimed they put reports in but sadly nothing came about of it though. So will never really know if the kick was a valid reason or not. Since it did appear to be a split each side had their defenders and detractors so maybe it was just a rough call for a GM or they could not be bothered. Or most likely people said they were reporting abuse and just never did.

Granted I probably could have gone about it better not saying my actions were perfect or even in the right but yeah the reason behind the story still stands that if kicks had a progression system many mentors good and bad would have been permanently removed from the NN.

[Helbya]

That could be heavily abused though. We cannot give mentors too much power, if we go down that route then sprouts should be able to remove a mentor with enough votes so to speak.

You're not wrong there, and increasing the weight of the punishments still doesn't prevent these attacks from happening. Especially since these seems to be new characters each time.
Though thinking about it, perhaps NN should be completely immune to the onboard macro system. Plenty of other times people test out macros only to flood their current chat channel (which defaults to the Novice Network for sprouts).

[Awha]

You're not wrong there, and increasing the weight of the punishments still doesn't prevent these attacks from happening. Especially since these seems to be new characters each time.
Though thinking about it, perhaps NN should be completely immune to the onboard macro system. Plenty of other times people test out macros only to flood their current chat channel (which defaults to the Novice Network for sprouts).

Yeah that would also be a good change, granted it would not change much but it is a start.

[HisShadowX]

Jesus this is worse then the hatred for BroJobs on Jenova

[AstraBraifort]

Yeah that would also be a good change, granted it would not change much but it is a start.

In terms of the NN slur spammer (which is what this thread is about in case people have forgotten), it would absolutely get in the way of him doing what he's doing. Especially because now he's ramped up the spam with two alts back to back spamming using macros. If NN had the same chat limits as shout chat, or better yet couldn't have macros used, the spammer would be severely slowed down. If he was still hellbent on spamming with the same limits as shout chat, it would give us time to kick him before he can leave. If macros can't be used in NN, he would have to spam manually and leave manually, also giving us time to kick him. And then us kicking him would prevent him from spamming other servers until he spends time making a new alt. It may not stop him completely, but it'll be more of a burden on him to spam the entire DC than it is now.