I think I want subjobs more than I want job balance.

[Ralph2449]

I do love how you completely disregard the incredibly selfish mindset this encourages. Thirty players can play however they want, even if it's entirely detrimental because they have little idea how their class functions, so long as ten people are both good and willing to carry said players through it. In other words, good players aren't allowed to have standards of their own and should they opt to enforce standards in their own parties, they're toxic and EEEEVILLL. But everyone else benefiting from their effort while contributing little of their own aren't toxic at all. They're just "having fun."

Gotta love that double standard.

Ah and of course someone defends the ridiculous standards elitists put no matter how easy the content is, you can be certain these people would put standards of praetorium if you couldnt do it via DF and was forced to use PF because "omg you are wasting our time if you dont have max ilvl and know how to play your class perfectl."

And as usual you create the false demeaning conclusion that those "dirty casuals" clearly have nothing better to do other than demand carries left and right and it is the only explanation when they dont reach your l33t performance a streamer/guide/sim told you is """""""required"""""" which is a blatant lie because it isnt required or needed, elitists simply love to gatekeep and put ridiculous requirements even for easy content and WoW classic was a PERFECT example of how the elitist gamers are the problem in games they touch.

I even gave you specific numbers to show your ridiculous the elitist requirements always become:
WoW classic raid bosses have barely 1-2 mechanics and the actual DPS required for all people is so low, let's say 20 that can be achieved by spamming one button and having 2 second delay beween each cast. (Though in Classic's defense most """rotations""" are spamming one spell sometimes at different ranks and wand spam lmao)

The """dps check""" is so low that even if those 40 people do 20 dps from the example i gave above they would still get it, now theoretically some of those specs might be able to do 100 DPS so elitist tryhards will of course go around demanding only specs and builds and players that do that 98+ DPS because if the encounter doesnt end in a few seconds you are """""wasting time"""" for not having the RIDICULOUSLY INFLATED ELITIST REQUIREMENTS

Newsflash, this is a video game, but the elitist gamers TM who confuse a video game as their sense of self worth are ruining games for everyone else with their elitist fake requirements and attitude.

[SenorPatty]

Ah and of course someone defends the ridiculous standards elitists put no matter how easy the content is, you can be certain these people would put standards of praetorium if you couldnt do it via DF and was forced to use PF because "omg you are wasting our time if you dont have max ilvl and know how to play your class perfectl."

And as usual you create the false demeaning conclusion that those "dirty casuals" clearly have nothing better to do other than demand carries left and right and it is the only explanation when they dont reach your l33t performance a streamer/guide/sim told you is """""""required"""""" which is a blatant lie because it isnt required or needed, elitists simply love to gatekeep and put ridiculous requirements even for easy content and WoW classic was a PERFECT example of how the elitist gamers are the problem in games they touch.

I even gave you specific numbers to show your ridiculous the elitist requirements always become:
WoW classic raid bosses have barely 1-2 mechanics and the actual DPS required for all people is so low, let's say 20 that can be achieved by spamming one button and having 2 second delay beween each cast. (Though in Classic's defense most """rotations""" are spamming one spell sometimes at different ranks and wand spam lmao)

The """dps check""" is so low that even if those 40 people do 20 dps from the example i gave above they would still get it, now theoretically some of those specs might be able to do 100 DPS so elitist tryhards will of course go around demanding only specs and builds and players that do that 98+ DPS because if the encounter doesnt end in a few seconds you are """""wasting time"""" for not having the RIDICULOUSLY INFLATED ELITIST REQUIREMENTS

Newsflash, this is a video game, but the elitist gamers TM who confuse a video game as their sense of self worth are ruining games for everyone else with their elitist fake requirements and attitude.

...Who hurt you?

[Ralph2449]

...Who hurt you?

The very short sighted and ignorant demands for customization while we are surrounded by proof of what happens when you give customization to Gamers Tm and how it always results in metaslaves ruining the fun of everyone who doesn’t worship the meta and thus creates a ton more problems and solves nothing because people play the same build anyway.

Elitists start spreading the broken ‘meta’ build everywhere and that slowly spreads to lower and lower end content and when that mentality starts afflicting average players the community descends fully into toxic elitism where if you dont follow the elitist metaslave builds you are out.

I mean just go take a look in WoW forums, just checked and there was a thread in the first page of such a person afflicted with that mentality whining about how:
‘I don’t have enough conduit energy to change to my battleground build so I won’t play bgs’ which translates to ‘if I can’t play the meta broken build for X I cannot play’

Like do you realize how unhealthy such a person has to be to refuse to play what they want because they don’t have the ‘meta build’?
Elitism has made people suffer so much that now they are unable to comprehend even the idea of playing without being metaslaves and when these average players have been transformed into that you cannot avoid elitism because even in low end content that mentality is everywhere.

And the irony is most of those people aren’t that great, I say that because I am the opposite of a metaslave, I am one of the few people that choose fun underperforming builds and chose the sub optimal covenant and I more often than not performed better than them in the real encounter which always results in ‘omg I didn’t know this thing was good, I always thought it was trash cuz my l33t meta guide told me’.
What matters to them isn’t real performance, it is what a raidbots sim or Warcraftlog 99 parse says

[Artemiz]

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You seem to get so angry about elitism in this game and it only really seems to kick in for the last 5th percentile of content, other than the odd moron in Void Arc or something. For 95% of content I could just pop my DF and headbutt my keyboard until it's over and nobody would care.

[Jojoya]

The very short sighted and ignorant demands for customization while we are surrounded by proof of what happens when you give customization to Gamers Tm and how it always results in metaslaves ruining the fun of everyone who doesn’t worship the meta and thus creates a ton more problems and solves nothing because people play the same build anyway.

It's not customization that creates metaslaves. It's incompetence. You don't need to be meta to clear content. All the meta does is offer a slight advantage when you and/or others in your party not competent at performing your jobs.

Save yourself hassle. Make some like minded friends and form a static instead of relying on PF, which is filled with incompetent players who need to lean on meta.

[Rufalus]

Damn shame that the FF XI remake got cancelled. Could have been an opportunity to bring a different kind of FF up to modern UI and graphics standard.

A xiv sub job system could work in theory but they would say it's unfeasible due to the gargantuan resource drain to implement and balance all permutations. Or if they left it wildly unbalanced they would want to restrict its usage down like limited jobs.

Dragoon + Paladin = Holy Dragoon tanking with spear and spells.
Blm + Whm = Sorcerer like ShB Y'stola.
Monk + Ninja = Black Belt greased huton.

[Ralph2449]

You don't need to be meta to clear content. All the meta does is offer a slight advantage when you and/or others in your party not competent at performing your jobs

You are absolutely correct, video game content is never tuned to require meta to be beaten, if you got a team of decent people and arent metaslaves you will progress fine, if anything you ll progress faster than the average metaslaving group since you can think for yourself.

It's not customization that creates metaslaves. It's incompetence.

I wouldnt blame the devs for its mere existence, dev incompetence can make things worse if they refuse to make frequent adjustments and let things be so they are not "disruptive" to FotM metaslaves. And since the only way to hurt the meta is to make frequent changes, things only become worse in those cases.
If you are talking about players then it would be on a really subconscious level cuz I ve seen a few people who unironically think and act like they are the gods gift to humanity while all they do is simply play the most busted spec/builds at that moment, it is scary that a person can become this delusional FROM A VIDEO GAME!

Save yourself hassle. Make some like minded friends and form a static instead of relying on PF, which is filled with incompetent players who need to lean on meta

I wish that was an easy thing to achieve, easily the fastest and most fun way of getting through content, arguably one of the harder things to find though, I came from WoW where i already had to jump around 3-4 guilds trying to find that "like minded" group and when things started looking like they were working, guild died for unrelated reasons and it can be pretty mentally tiring having to start all over again trying to find yet another guild with the hopes that people there will be good and also hope it isnt gonna die for whatever reason.

[ItMe]

It's not customization that creates metaslaves. It's incompetence. You don't need to be meta to clear content. All the meta does is offer a slight advantage when you and/or others in your party not competent at performing your jobs.

Do you mean incompetence on the part of the players or the devs?
(realistically it would probably be a little of both, but which were you trying to get at when you wrote this?)

[LariaKirin]

And the irony is most of those people aren’t that great, I say that because I am the opposite of a metaslave, I am one of the few people that choose fun underperforming builds and chose the sub optimal covenant and I more often than not performed better than them in the real encounter which always results in ‘omg I didn’t know this thing was good, I always thought it was trash cuz my l33t meta guide told me’.
What matters to them isn’t real performance, it is what a raidbots sim or Warcraftlog 99 parse says

Settle down, Mr. Enlightenment.

These guides contain information that took significant effort from their respective authors to compile and that amount of effort deserves some respect.

Feel free to ignore them, but don't let your Dunning-Kruger cognitive bias convince you that you know any better.

[Ralph2449]

Settle down, Mr. Enlightenment.

These guides contain information that took significant effort from their respective authors to compile and that amount of effort deserves some respect.

Feel free to ignore them, but don't let your Dunning-Kruger cognitive bias convince you that you know any better.

You mean the guide writers that go around saying "Customization only gives you the choice to be bad" because they have completely forgotten there's such a thing such as fun or preferred playstyles?
Let's not even talk about the idea that some unironically tell themselves they are "experts" in a VIDEO GAME of all things lmao

These people make guides so they can tell you what to do, what to play, what to think about in a video game, let's ignore the fact that this doesnt sound like a fun video game and more like a job these people arent somekind of authority to matter, many of these people in WoW are just metaslave elitists who dont really care about those dirty underperforming builds so they optimize the sims what seems to be the meta, sims are never optimized for every single possible build combination because that is too much effort from your """"experts"""".
And i ve seen how dangerous that mentality is because it creates zombies that follow such people, let's say a wow spriest legendary that the """"experts"""" kept saying is trash lead to that legendary never to be used by most people so there were no high parsing logs to show that it is the real more optimal choice, it took the """"experts""" to find the error in their sims months after the game's launch in order to find out what they kept calling trash was actually the optimal choice and of course the typical metaslaves instantly followed the holy word of their """experts"""


For example wowhead is a site that used to be about giving updates and factual information about the game, in the latest expansion though it has been turned into opinion pieces and spam of the type "X streamer tells you the top 5 meta class" "X expert tells you why you should not play those 5 non meta specs" "Why you should play meta for this content" "Random useless """expert""" we hired has to make articles to justify their pay so we made him literally repeat the changes that were found in the patch notes which you can literally learn by reading the patchnotes yourself"
And that type of content only makes the community worse, as if WoW community needed help becoming even more elitist and metaslaving xD

So no, dont try to turn FF14 into WoW, customization is not something that the current generation of gamers can handle and we have TONS OF PROOF that shows what happens when any form of customization exists