To those that say FF14 is not a big dog in MMO's

[DBriggs304]

People are way more forgiving here for a mistake than there. Just last night, my druid dotted the wrong pack than what we were on (my tabbing mistake) and the tank ripped me a new one after I already said my bad.

That has never happened here to me. Most people say np and move on. Not as bad as it was 3 yrs ago before I left WoW but still regular behavior.

[Penthea]

It's the kind of mentality the GCBTW already has, except towards people who don't care about the story or are primarily interested in challenging content.

Personally when I have seen people get a bad response to not liking the story it's because that person said they don't enjoy any of the story and then reveal they actively avoided experiencing it since very early game.

I'm fine with people not enjoying the story and avoiding taking notice of it. But I'm not fine with someone saying something like the ShB story sucks when they skipped every cutscene and read no dialogue since ARR. This is like saying season five of a tv series is bad even though you only watched some of season one. If a story didn't grab you in the beginning then say that instead of saying the entire thing is terrible. You can't know it's all terrible if you deliberately avoided experiencing most of it.

I'm also not fine with people who want the story to no longer be a core feature of the game. If the idea of a story having a major role in a game bothers someone to the point that they think it should take a backseat or be removed then they should go play something else. If FFXIV no longer had story as a major feature then the game would become totally different. If someone wants to play a different game then they should go play a different game.

Most people are fine with others enjoying different things about the game as long as they do so without being snarky about it.

[ZedxKayn]

What is this acronym?
GCBTW?

Great community by the way, commonly used to take the piss on people who praise XIV's community for being oh so great and toxicity-free while being perfect examples of passive aggressive toxicity themselves.

Personally when I have seen people get a bad response to not liking the story it's because that person said they don't enjoy any of the story and then reveal they actively avoided experiencing it since very early game.

I'm fine with people not enjoying the story and avoiding taking notice of it. But I'm not fine with someone saying something like the ShB story sucks when they skipped every cutscene and read no dialogue since ARR. This is like saying season five of a tv series is bad even though you only watched some of season one. If a story didn't grab you in the beginning then say that instead of saying the entire thing is terrible. You can't know it's all terrible if you deliberately avoided experiencing most of it.

I'm also not fine with people who want the story to no longer be a core feature of the game. If the idea of a story having a major role in a game bothers someone to the point that they think it should take a backseat or be removed then they should go play something else. If FFXIV no longer had story as a major feature then the game would become totally different. If someone wants to play a different game then they should go play a different game.

Most people are fine with others enjoying different things about the game as long as they do so without being snarky about it.

Something I see way too much is when people are asking about story skips for themselves or someone else, you will always have several people saying that if they don't care about the story, they should play another game, or that by allowing their friends to get a story skip, they're gonna ruin their experience.

[Penthea]

Something I see way too much is when people are asking about story skips for themselves or someone else, you will always have several people saying that if they don't care about the story, they should play another game

I disagree with this sort of mindset. For me if a person is having fun even without the story then I'm happy for them. I'm glad they still like the game.

or that by allowing their friends to get a story skip, they're gonna ruin their experience.

The problem here is sometimes a person can convince someone the story isn't worth their time without even allowing them to try it for themselves. I know of one person who bought a story skip because their friend wouldn't shut up about what a waste of time the story is. Later down the like they got curious based on the frequent praise it gets, made an alt, and found that they really enjoy the story. They were disappointed that they didn't get to experience a massive chunk of it on their main because their friend blasted the story so much they thought it being bad had to be true.

Sure that person who bought the skip should have just tried it for themselves and then decide based on their experience if they want to skip it or not, but the other person should have allowed them to form their own opinion instead of intensely pushing their opinion onto their friend.

[Awha]

People are way more forgiving here for a mistake than there. Just last night, my druid dotted the wrong pack than what we were on (my tabbing mistake) and the tank ripped me a new one after I already said my bad.

That has never happened here to me. Most people say np and move on. Not as bad as it was 3 yrs ago before I left WoW but still regular behavior.

Tbh it largely depends on the content, and the people running it. Has very little to do about the community or the game itself.

People get this perception that FFXIV has a great and lax community. The reality is that is just a byproduct of how the harder content is not tackled by a large portion of the community. Even in the most hardcore of game simple mistakes in easy content are often shrugged off for the most part since it will not change the outcome.

[Teno]

Tbh it largely depends on the content, and the people running it. Has very little to do about the community or the game itself.

People get this perception that FFXIV has a great and lax community. The reality is that is just a byproduct of how the harder content is not tackled by a large portion of the community. Even in the most hardcore of game simple mistakes in easy content are often shrugged off for the most part since it will not change the outcome.

This is very true. Aside from savage and ultimate, content is so easy in FFXIV, there's no competition ("no" dps meter, no pvp) so nothing to blame really. But join a pf for savage and when things go wrong, you will either see people leaving early, or flame. Not all pfs are like that, but they show that FFXIV is not immune to toxicity given the typical context of failure that you see more frequently in other games.

[Zarkovitch]

FF14 is not the top dog. WOW still exist , however WOW is playing too much the idiot with the playerbase. maybe one day

[Vahlnir]

FF14 is not the top dog. WOW still exist , however WOW is playing too much the idiot with the playerbase. maybe one day

Blizzard: "I'm gonna do a thing."

Player base: "We hate it."

Blizzard: "Okay, we'll give you more of this thing and make 0 changes to it. And we'll nerf the already weakest class. Yay!"

[Sparky_Mage]

Blizzard: -Breaks legacy raiding and makes doing Legion raids harder in Shadowlands than it was in BfA due to poorly handled scaling-
Blizzard: Working as intended.


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Honestly Blizzard and Ion's "Working as Intended" line is like their catchphrase for anti-player features (or just broken poorly thought out design choices) to the same level as Please Look Forward to It! is Yoshida's catchphrase when he doesnt wanna spoil future features, except Yoshi-P's catchphrase is more endearing and just means we have a ton of stuff to be hyped for....

[TroySoFab]

Not sure if anyone actually thought FFXIV wasn't a "Big Dog" in MMOs. It is the second most played MMO, and with how fast number one is hemorrhaging players maybe number one now. Though I'm not sure what another game's content update has to do with any of this.