Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[LisSquid]

Thank you so much for this.

As I said in the male Viera thread, at this point I feel like the time and cost it would take to sort out Hrothgar issues would be almost equivalent to making a new race. I would be alright if they spent the time to reconfigure Hrothgar, even if I had to wait for more Viera hair, as their issues do feel a lot more pressing.

That being said, I do want more transparency on why they gone an entire expansion without keeping up their end of the bargain with Viera. We don't get hats of modern aesthetics, but in exchange we get unique hair. Alright.. where are they? We've had live letters and a new expansion announcement without so much as a word. My good faith is running thin.

[Akimori]

Thank you so much for this.

As I said in the male Viera thread, at this point I feel like the time and cost it would take to sort out Hrothgar issues would be almost equivalent to making a new race. I would be alright if they spent the time to reconfigure Hrothgar, even if I had to wait for more Viera hair, as their issues do feel a lot more pressing.

That being said, I do want more transparency on why they gone an entire expansion without keeping up their end of the bargain with Viera. We don't get hats of modern aesthetics, but in exchange we get unique hair. Alright.. where are they? We've had live letters and a new expansion announcement without so much as a word. My good faith is running thin.

I agree there. I was a bit disappointed that a lot of the questions involving the races were more geared towards Viera and not hrothgar, but I can only assume that both are included in the mix. Now, that being said, It is incredibly frustrating that I can't customize my Viera the way I'd want to customize her:



^My beautiful Queen. My patience is practically running on fumes at this point as we are the only two races that pay the same amount of money/month, but get less content. For anyone reading this and has something to say, I will say this:

Customization is considered content. Since we have limited customization options, we by default have access to Less content!

[Kirajah]

I agree there. I was a bit disappointed that a lot of the questions involving the races were more geared towards Viera and not hrothgar, but I can only assume that both are included in the mix. Now, that being said, It is incredibly frustrating that I can't customize my Viera the way I'd want to customize her:



^My beautiful Queen. My patience is practically running on fumes at this point as we are the only two races that pay the same amount of money/month, but get less content. For anyone reading this and has something to say, I will say this:

Customization is considered content. Since we have limited customization options, we by default have access to Less content!

Your Viera is almost a spitting image of mine:

While I loved her, I found a lot of viera looked like this and it bothered me to the point of fantasia.

I'm hoping I won't run into the same problem with male viera, but... only time will tell.

[Yencat]

I'm hoping I won't run into the same problem with male viera, but... only time will tell.

Unless this means Viera is now "complete" and can be moved into a dev rotation where they receive hairstyles that don't conflict with their ears, you'll be stuck with 8-ish hairstyles like the rest of us and will probably run into the same problem.

This already happens for every race and isn't a bigger problem than you make of it yourself, but with only 8 hairstyles it just happens a lot more often.

Ironically the Hrothgar I see around tend to look a lot less same-y despite being in a worse situation, but that might be because they have a pretty broad and vibrant colour palette to work with.

[Iscah]

Oh...I dont play Au ra...didnt know that was a thing o 3o

SMH: they can change the outer ring color of their *EYES*, but I can't change to my one other hair....nothing but despair awaits me now T_T

It's because of the way the character creator works. All characters have the same template of data but the newer races use some things in strange ways that have an effect on the logic of what can be changed in-game.

This is just from observation, but I think that the aesthetician menu is set up to allow editing of specific template slots, and those settings are consistent across all races even though the template slots are used differently.

Most races have unique tattoos that can be edited, but Au Ra use the same piece of data to set their limbal rings. So because that is controlled by a setting that is allowed to be edited at the aestetician, they can edit it.

Hrothgar hairstyles are controlled by the face setting. The face setting cannot be edited, therefore hairstyles cannot be switched. The game does not differentiate them as "different hairstyles for the same face" but two separate faces which happen to be identical.

[Renik]

It's because of the way the character creator works. All characters have the same template of data but the newer races use some things in strange ways that have an effect on the logic of what can be changed in-game.

This is just from observation, but I think that the aesthetician menu is set up to allow editing of specific template slots, and those settings are consistent across all races even though the template slots are used differently.

Most races have unique tattoos that can be edited, but Au Ra use the same piece of data to set their limbal rings. So because that is controlled by a setting that is allowed to be edited at the aestetician, they can edit it.

Hrothgar hairstyles are controlled by the face setting. The face setting cannot be edited, therefore hairstyles cannot be switched. The game does not differentiate them as "different hairstyles for the same face" but two separate faces which happen to be identical.

This, they probably need to change how the esthetician works to fix the hrothgar situation with the manes, but a small mistake could allow other races to change stuff that can only be changed with a fantasia. Still, I think that allowing them to switch manes doesn't solve the problem, having 2 manes per face seems ridiculous, they should rework the hrtoh creator entirely.

[BunnyChain]

Unless this means Viera is now "complete" and can be moved into a dev rotation where they receive hairstyles that don't conflict with their ears, you'll be stuck with 8-ish hairstyles like the rest of us and will probably run into the same problem.

If at least their hairstyles were encompassing their ears...

Hrothgar hairstyles are controlled by the face setting. The face setting cannot be edited, therefore hairstyles cannot be switched. The game does not differentiate them as "different hairstyles for the same face" but two separate faces which happen to be identical.

There is no technical reason for this on their race. They have, just like every other race, 4 head models and separate hair models.
The only reason I can think of is they didn't want to give them a hairstyle option because you'd just have 2 hairs. That would look worse than having "8" face options and a missing hairstyle option is hard to notice... hoping the reviewers wouldn't either?

[Yencat]

If at least their hairstyles were encompassing their ears...

I was mostly thinking hairbands and braids that would end up going under the ears, but yeah it's not like they modify the hair to part places where the ears go anyway.

The ears just sitting on the hair like they do doesn't bother me at all, so cut some holes in the Modern Aesthetics hairstyles and stick the ears on. Please and thank you.

[Iscah]

If at least their hairstyles were encompassing their ears...

I hate that so very much. There is exactly one race that will use those hairstyles, you know where their ears connect to their heads; how did any of this get past the design stage? Nearly every hairstyle in their entire range parts sideways between-and-under the ears instead of going around them.

I really hope they approached it better for the male designs.

[LuciaMirain]

If at least their hairstyles were encompassing their ears...






There is no technical reason for this on their race. They have, just like every other race, 4 head models and separate hair models.
The only reason I can think of is they didn't want to give them a hairstyle option because you'd just have 2 hairs. That would look worse than having "8" face options and a missing hairstyle option is hard to notice... hoping the reviewers wouldn't either?

this is what has been bothering me for a long long time (around two years ....or so.....) Vieras own hair already clips with the ears so to use that as an excuse as to why we cant recieve the other hairs is just silly. I have through mods seem all the modern aes hairstyles on them and honestly only form and function and the "B hairstyle clips really bad with the braid or headband. Great lengths looks really nice on viera. If they want to make it easy for themselves then just release the same hairstyles in a bundle for both female and male vieras and just let them share hairstyles like all the other races and genders do (except some few race specific ones). Alot of the fanart of male vieras already have them in long feminine hair anyway, locks and braids....so it wouldnt be too much of a stretch to actually let them use existing viera hairstyles already. Also give us option to toggle off the flowers......please...They ruin my style so many times.